Hi, In Brno we discussed for AS.next that as much as possible should be a subsystem. That goes directly in line of what you are suggesting. But said that, I think changes like this would really be postponed for AS.next, given that we want to do fast AS8 release... -- tomaz On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Darran Lofthouse <darran.lofthouse(a)jboss.com <mailto:darran.lofthouse@jboss.com>> wrote: Before we get too far ahead I think it is time to revisit this question again. Early in AS7 development the configuration required for management of the servers was simple - for standalone mode and in a host controller process this was handled independently to expose the management interfaces. As the host controller has no support for subsystems we continued down the path of adding to the management specific configuration. In standalone mode we don't need to avoid subsystems as the process is a running application server but we avoid subsystems to be compatible with a host controller. Do we want to continue with this approach for AS8 where everything being used for domain management needs to be usable in a non-AS process - or do we want to re-visit if the host controller should be able to run subsystems? Maybe the host controller could even just be a standalone AS process running a minimal configuration. Regards, Darran Lofthouse. _______________________________________________ jboss-as7-dev mailing list jboss-as7-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:jboss-as7-dev@lists.jboss.org> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-as7-dev

This sounds good. Trying to rearchitect the HC in AS 8 is too large a task. But for AS.next we need a more flexible HC extension mechanism than what we have now. I'm not certain "subsystem" is the right concept. The rules for exactly what an HC "subsytem" does vs what a standalone server subsystem does vs a domain subsystem does, those need to be clarified. If all 3 use cases can fit comfortably into the same software concepts, great. But if not, we shouldn't force them in. Clearly all 3 will share similar features and should differ only where they need to differ.

On 2/25/13 5:54 AM, Darran Lofthouse wrote: > The main reason this is of interest to me is so that we can commence > switching everything in AS to a common identity manager solution that is > as equally applicable for authentication of applications deployed to the > app server as it is for authentication for domain management. > > At this point we need to be setting the overall road map for these > changes so this would suggest the following: - > > Start the updates for the application server potentially for AS8 and > leave domain management largely untouched - then for AS.next provided > the host controller process will be running subsystems we can start to > re-use everything developed so far and replace the existing management > configuration. > > At that point we would be on the common solution used for everything. > > Regards, > Darran Lofthouse. > > > On 02/25/2013 11:30 AM, Tomaž Cerar wrote: >> Hi, >> >> In Brno we discussed for AS.next that as much as possible should be a >> subsystem. >> That goes directly in line of what you are suggesting. >> >> But said that, I think changes like this would really be postponed for >> AS.next, given that we want to do fast AS8 release... >> >> -- >> tomaz >> >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Darran Lofthouse >> <darran.lofthouse(a)jboss.com <mailto:darran.lofthouse@jboss.com>> wrote: >> >> Before we get too far ahead I think it is time to revisit this question >> again. >> >> Early in AS7 development the configuration required for management of >> the servers was simple - for standalone mode and in a host controller >> process this was handled independently to expose the management >> interfaces. >> >> As the host controller has no support for subsystems we continued down >> the path of adding to the management specific configuration. >> >> In standalone mode we don't need to avoid subsystems as the process is a >> running application server but we avoid subsystems to be compatible with >> a host controller. >> >> Do we want to continue with this approach for AS8 where everything being >> used for domain management needs to be usable in a non-AS process - or >> do we want to re-visit if the host controller should be able to run >> subsystems? Maybe the host controller could even just be a standalone >> AS process running a minimal configuration. >> >> Regards, >> Darran Lofthouse. >> _______________________________________________ >> jboss-as7-dev mailing list >> jboss-as7-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:jboss-as7-dev@lists.jboss.org> >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-as7-dev >> >> > _______________________________________________ > jboss-as7-dev mailing list > jboss-as7-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jboss-as7-dev >