[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WFCORE-2011?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugi... ] ted won edited comment on WFCORE-2011 at 11/21/16 2:24 AM: ----------------------------------------------------------- Hi Brian, Thanks for your kind and detailed explanation! I agree with your second comment and know and understand the features especially on exclusively working between them. I thnk it can be changed as an improvement, not a bug. Any user can get to know it is working with 'named-formatter' first and 'formatter' is working without 'named-formatter' after trying some changing and applying in the configuration. However, It makes user confuse which one is selected and will be working with just looking at the view or without specific knowledge in the situation 'formatter' and 'named-formatter' attributes are alternatives to each other but it's displayed both at the same time in CLI and admin console. It also can't apply "(include-defaults=false)" in the admin console. There is no description for which one will be affected first or some information like a priority. So we got an inquiry for this inconsistency and confusing from a user. In a view of users perspective, they can't understand where the formatter {noformat}"%d{HH:mm:ss,SSS} %-5p [%c] (%t) %s%e%n"{noformat} is from, in this case, especially when seeing in the admin console HANDLER -> Console page (attachment). They've never defined it. Actually, it's better to display named-formatter's format. If it is okay, I'll be happy with working for a contribution for this issue and make a PR with the hint you gave me. I really appreciate your hint and asking again. :-) was (Author: rhn-support-jwon): Hi Brian, Thanks for your kind and detailed explanation! I agree with your second comment and know and understand the features especially on exclusively working between them. I thnk it can be changed as an improvement, not a bug. Any user can get to know it is working with 'named-formatter' first and 'formatter' is working without 'named-formatter' after trying some changing and applying in the configuration. However, It makes user confuse which one is selected and will be working with just looking at the view or without specific knowledge in the situation 'formatter' and 'named-formatter' attributes are alternatives to each other but it's displayed both at the same time in CLI and admin console. It also can't apply "(include-defaults=false)" in the admin console. There is no description for which one will be affected first or some information like a priority. So we got an inquiry for this inconsistency and confusing from a user. In a view of users perspective, they can't understand where the formatter "%d{HH:mm:ss,SSS} %-5p [%c] (%t) %s%e%n" is from, in this case, especially when seeing in the admin console HANDLER -> Console page (attachment). They've never defined it. Actually, it's better to display named-formatter's format. If it is okay, I'll be happy with working for a contribution for this issue and make a PR with the hint you gave me. I really appreciate your hint and asking again. :-) -- This message was sent by Atlassian JIRA (v7.2.3#72005)