[ https://issues.jboss.org/browse/AS7-1389?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.s... ] Scott Hasse commented on AS7-1389: ---------------------------------- The decision to include visibility to specific third party logging implementations by default seems absolutely against the basic philosophy of modules in a JEE container environment. This sort of logging is simply not a JEE container feature and default visibility should not be provided and the debate should end there. Those wanting to use the vendor-specific non-spec container facility should be the ones configuring an explicit dependency. I find David Lloyd's anecdotal observations on which this decision was based to be simply not accurate in my large enterprise experience where you want to decouple the application from the container excepting for the specified JEE facilities. If someone thinks otherwise I'm certainly interested to understand why. Especially justifying the decision based on portability seems exactly backwards. JBoss is going beyond the specification to provide a vendor-specific facility that in fact reduces portability. Please consider re-thinking this decision moving forward. Scott -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira