Re: [aerogear-dev] AeroGear.js without jQuery Discussion

Side note: getting integration with jQuery{ajax,promises} right was one of the pain points when integrating with AeroGear.js / Angular (uses q.js, and custom http service).

We must be sure whatever we choose is compatible with frameworks out there (at least it should not hard-nut to make it work). In terms of promises implementation. In the end people may even end up using 2-3 promise approaches in one project that makes code pretty disgusting. So: +1 getting rid of jQuery.ajax +1 getting rid of jQuery promises (they are just wrong anyway ;-) Btw in terms of polyfilling, I would suggest: 1) use whatever standard is as long as supported by majority of mainstream browsers 2) use whatever standard will be and compile polyfill into aerogear.js (as long as it's not too bloated; not necessary for bower users)

Wdyt? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Karel Piwko <kpiwko(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: Given number of supported browsers is quite low - http://caniuse.com/promises, I believe that polyfill will be needed even with version 2.0. On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:01:38 -0400 Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > On Mar 24, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com&gt; > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui(a)redhat.com&gt; > > wrote: > > > > On Mar 24, 2014, at 10:10 AM, tolis emmanouilidis <tolisemm(a)gmail.com&gt; > > wrote: > > > >> 2014-03-24 15:39 GMT+02:00 Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt;: > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Lucas Holmquist <lholmqui(a)redhat.com&gt; > >> wrote: > >>> I agree that it would be nice to implement AGJS-70 (Investigate removing > >>> jQuery requirement). Meanwhile, there is an open source project on GitHub > >>> that claims to offer a custom builder for jQuery in order to include only > >>> the modules needed [1] [2]. I haven't tried it yet but maybe we could > >>> create a custom jQuery build which includes only the parts currently > >>> needed in AeroGear. This would mean a smaller size of the jQuery > >>> dependency. > >> > >> The AG lib depends on a few parts of jQuery, the biggest being jQuery.Ajax > >> and the promise implementation. > >> > >> i know we can make custom builds of jQuery pretty easily( building from > >> source ), but i don't really want to bundle it within our lib. > >> > >> and i don't think with bower we can do this easily. although they did just > >> add a post install hook, so perhaps that could be something to look at. > >> > >> Datamanager only uses the promise implementation of jQuery( and some > >> random thing for the filter method, which could probably be updated ). > >> > >> > >> Promises are starting to become available natively in browsers and jQuery > >> doesn't use the Promise/A+ spec, so it could be harder to fallback > >> without a shim of some kind > >> > >> Good to know. Thanks for providing this info. > >> > >> > >> sounds reasonable to 'wait' on the promise side of things, and use that > >> bit in the datamanager > >> > >> +1 > > > > there are other promise implementations that we could use, that are to > > spec, such as Q and RSVP, here is the link to the HTML5 rocks article > > http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/es6/promises/ > > > > These last days I have been playing with the library When provided by Cujo, > > it's maybe also worth looking https://github.com/cujojs/when > > > > not sure I see value in using a different library as a temporary thing. > > Once the API is part of the browser platform, the need for [yet another js > > lib] goes away. I know but I'm more concerned about "Once the API is part > > of the browser platform" When will that happen and does it match with our > > roadmap ? Was also to offer a polyfill for older browser if we want to keep > > supporting them. > > > i will have to update the roadmap. > > 2.0 would be a nice time to "fully" switch, but we can start experimenting > now and maybe for 1.5 can have some implemenation for data manager only. > > Current Chrome has Promise's enable by default and it looks like FireFox > 29( next version ) will too. Safari and IE are in dev i believe > > for fallback we can still make use of jQuery i think because of this method > here "Promise.cast", although the closest lib to the spec is RSVP( maybe > this could be the 2.0 fallback if we remove jQuery from the whole lib ) > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> while i don't really want to reinvent the wheel in terms of Ajax, it > >> might be interesting to take a look. > >> > >> Yeah, IMO worth to look there, for reducing dependencies > >> > >> -M > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I think in a previous ML thread about what 2.0 looked like, that > >> Pipeline would maybe just be a JSON only thing, with exception for > >> multipart > >> > >> > >> > >> @Lucas Thanks for making things clear > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> aerogear-dev mailing list > >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Matthias Wessendorf > >> > >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> aerogear-dev mailing list > >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> aerogear-dev mailing list > >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > aerogear-dev mailing list > > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > aerogear-dev mailing list > > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > > > > > > > > -- > > Matthias Wessendorf > > > > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > > > > _______________________________________________ > > aerogear-dev mailing list > > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > > aerogear-dev mailing list > > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev