I wanted to start a consolidated discussion about multi-load support.

relates to a few Jiras, questioning a few different aspects of its current behavior: https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-10984 https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-10617 Basically this comes down to the following questions/requests... ## Handling locally deleted entities First (from HHH-10984) is the idea that locally deleted entities are currently returned from multi-load calls. The background here is that multi-load support was designed based on IdentifierLoadAccess#getReference (Session#load). So its outcome follows what is done for #getReference in terms of behavior and results. Now one of the behaviors of #getReference that differs from IdentifierLoadAccess#load (Session#get) is how locally deleted entities are treated: #getReference will return them, whereas

will not. So as I see it we have 3 options: 1. Continue to expose just the one form on MultiIdentifierLoadAccess

either have this filter out the locally deleted objects, or add a new option to specify whether locally deleted objects ought to be returned

the results. 2. Expose 2 distinct forms on MultiIdentifierLoadAccess: 1. Plural form of #getReference (current behavior, more or less) 2. Plural form of #load 3. Expose 3 distinct forms on MultiIdentifierLoadAccess: 1. Plural form of #getReference 2. Plural form of #load 3. "Hybrid" form

## Ordering of results Much of the discussion on HHH-10984 revolves around the (poorly based,

assumption that because a List/array of ids is passed in and because a

is returned that we ought to return the results in the order indicated by the incoming List/array of ids. While I do not agree with the assumption there, I can see that that behavior might sometimes be beneficial. Is this something we want to support? There is certainly a performance overhead, and so I think we definitely do not want to support it by default. But do we want to expose an option to allow users to request this?

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