Re: [rules-users] Weblogic rules to Drools rules.

Hi, Please read Wolfgang's advices. They are all good. On top of that, I think it is time to look at the problem as a whole. You have a pretty big rule set (20k rules you mentioned) and each rule, if loosely defined as in your example will have a huge number of patterns (for a rule). You also mentioned you have some kind of front-end where users input data and that generates rules. I am not sure what the other engine is doing with all that data you are setting as AND/OR conditions for the rules, but I doubt it is any better than generating java code and using java code as boolean checks on wheter to apply a set of actions or not (actually, it might be doing exactly that behind the scenes). I am saying that because the Rete algorithm achieves it's performance from a set of optimizations (for instance, the fact type discrimination, node sharing, memory indexing, etc) that are simply impossible to derive from custom data structures and method calls as you mention you are doing. For instance, from an execution performance perspective, it would be simply better (**I am not recommending this** :)) to have a single huge eval using && and || among your constraints, than having the up to 100 evals/rule you mentioned in your first example. That is because even if you use the 100 evals, you will still not trigger any of the above mentioned optimizations, while severely burdening the execution environment with overhead of separate code blocks, context switches, etc. Now, I understand you are trying to move your use case to another solution and properly take advantage of the features available. You mention several requirements you have and that you need to handle them appropriately. The first thing you need to do is consider the proper representation (or metaphor) that would best suit you. Since you have a front end for rules authoring, that should not be a problem for you as it would be hidden from the users anyway. It might just make things easier when generating code, be it, DRL, decision tables, or whatever you choose. Then, there are your questions: Wolfgang already pointed you to the documentation on "from". Although, specially with a model like yours, I would strongly recommend inserting all the facts into the session, not only the top level fact. Usually, for a constant model like yours, it is a matter of a simple procedure that iterates your model and insert all the dependent facts into the working memory, but that will benefit all of your rules that will be simpler to express and much more performant, since you trade iteration by hashing+indexing when you do that. have It seems to me that what you need is just to use some custom evaluators. For instance, you could implement an "inRange" evaluator that takes a range an matches when the given value is included in the range. Example: MyFact( myValue inRange "428.0-428.9" ) Behind the scenes, you are still calling a method that is doing the range matching verification (not much different than calling the method in an eval block), but this has several advantages over the use of eval, starting by the simplicity on rules authoring, improved testability and *specially* the ability to improve node sharing among rules. Developing custom evaluators for Drools requires a developer to write a class that contains some boiler plate code, but even someone that never implemented one before should be able to develop and test the operator in less than a day. After it is done, you can simply start using it everywhere. For letter (c) above, you can simply use the built-in "matches" operator, if you use java compliant regexps, or again, build your custom operator. Using matches would be: MyFact( myValue matches "V2.*" ) See comments above on custom operators. "eval" is supported on the rules engine because it is an excellent fallback mechanism, i.e., whenever the engine can't do what you need, you just use an eval() to do that. Although, it obviously should be the *exception* and not the *rule* (no pun intended). If your rules are composed mostly of evals, then the engine is clearly not the best tool for you to do what you need. Also, regarding your "temporal" constraints, I am curious about what kind of constraints are that. Drools has the whole set of 13 temporal operators defined by Alen that enable you to easily represent any temporal constraint (check Drools Fusion docs, but the operators are available to use in rules even if the rules don't use events). Also, I am working on a Drools feature set to support what is usually called "Effective Dated Models", where facts only match if their effective/expiration dates overlap (well, a bit more complex than that, but this is a good summary). So, to be brief, in your case I think it is just a matter of using the proper features and expressing the rules in the proper way. You will be pleasantly surprised with the results if you take the time to do so, I am sure. Edson 2010/1/30 kashif10 <kash452(a)yahoo.com&gt; > > Thanks edson for you nice advise. > It really reduce the memory uage from 400 mb 70 mb.. > > compareDiagnosis( valueName[0] in ("Heart Failure") || > (valueCode[0] in > > ("402.01","402.11","402.91","402.01","402.03","402.11","402.13","402.91","402.93", > "428.0 - 428.9") , valueCodeSystem[0] == "2.16.840.1.113883.6.2" ) ) > > > Here I have some questions. > > > ii) we have not only simple valueCode matching, we can have > a) Range in code such as 428.0 - 428.9, so any thing in WM having > valueCode b/w this range should match. > b) but we can't use simply numbers , we have to use String as we can have > code having alphabet such as "V32.4" > c) we can have wild card usage too. e.g code in Rule can be "V2*" which > can be match any thing at the place opf asterik in WM valuCodes. > > I see that Rule engine do introspection & call get methods of the fields & > can do simple condition maching like ==, <, >etc. But mostly we have some > complex logic in matching like I told you in pt ii) of valuecode matching. > I think only sol is to call methods which will comes inside eval() & If we > start usig it for long rules. rules will never load & stuck :(... > > Need your expet advise for those long & complex rules. > > Thanks > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://n3.nabble.com/Weblogic-rules-to-Drools-rules-tp126265p178895.html > Sent from the Drools - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > rules-users mailing list > rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users > -- Edson Tirelli JBoss Drools Core Development JBoss by Red Hat @ www.jboss.com