8:43 a.m.
Hi there,
My company (a large HRMS vendor) wants to leverage the business engines
implementations to Drools. I am in charge of doing the piping job. So far
I've been loading objects into session and running drl files using the java
API directly. That works nice, but it keeps me in java land which makes any
programming effort 10 times harder than what I would like. At the same
time, I've been following this list and I see a lot of questions about the
Guvnor REST API. So as far as I know I have 3 choices to integrate with
Drools,
1. Java API
2. REST calls to Drools web server
3. REST calls to Guvnor
I wonder if there are some rules of thumbs on when to use which. I also
wonder what's the most common used method in average. At this point I am
leaning towards #2 because I don't need Guvnor yet. But in general I think
the REST API is a more flexible choice.
Any suggestion or a simple "I use X" will be very appreciated.
Thank you very much
Mike
12:05 p.m.
I am a complete newbie, but have seen several things written about using
Apache Camel for integration in situations similar to those you describe.
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Since I have not received an answer let me make the question more specific.
Is it possible to interact with Drools via a rest api without Guvnor?
Thank you
Mike
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The REST APIS for guvnor is just to interact with the repository,
the Drools Server expose runtime sessions and allows you to interact
with remote drools sessions using REST or SOAP
You can wrap your specific interfaces using REST and interact with the
engine in that way.
Cheers
2011/12/22 mike <mikemps(a)gmail.com>:
Since I have not received an answer let me make the question more
specific.
Is it possible to interact with Drools via a rest api without Guvnor?
Thank you
Mike
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Unless the experts disagree, I don't think that is possible as is.
Guvnor *is* the REST frontend for the drools repository. If you are not
interested in the Guvnor UI and only seek to use the REST api, it should
be possible to strip out the UI related pieces from the Guvnor war
(web.xml, WEB-INF/lib, etc.), keep only the REST servlet and deploy a
stripped down Guvnor war that fields only REST requests
From: mike <mikemps(a)gmail.com>
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Date: 12/22/2011 10:55 AM
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Since I have not received an answer let me make the question more
specific.
Is it possible to interact with Drools via a rest api without Guvnor?
Thank you
Mike
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Yeah ... that's sort of my problem :) ... I was expecting to get a clean
war when downloading http://www.jboss.org/drools/downloads ... host that
in a server and hit it with REST calls from my language of choice
So it looks like I must install Guvnor or do the stripping thing.
Thank you very much
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2011/12/22 <GPatel(a)tsys.com>
Unless the experts disagree, I don't think that is possible as
is.
Guvnor *is* the REST frontend for the drools repository. If you are not
interested in the Guvnor UI and only seek to use the REST api, it should be
possible to strip out the UI related pieces from the Guvnor war (web.xml,
WEB-INF/lib, etc.), keep only the REST servlet and deploy a stripped down
Guvnor war that fields only REST requests
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Is it possible to interact with Drools via a rest api without Guvnor?
Thank you
Mike
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But once again.. do you want to interact with drools sessions or with
the repository that store your rules??
If you don't want to use the repository just install drools-server
2011/12/22 mike <mikemps(a)gmail.com>:
Yeah ... that's sort of my problem :) ... I was expecting to get
a clean war
when downloading http://www.jboss.org/drools/downloads ... host that in a
server and hit it with REST calls from my language of choice
So it looks like I must install Guvnor or do the stripping thing.
Thank you very much
Mike
2011/12/22 <GPatel(a)tsys.com>
> Unless the experts disagree, I don't think that is possible as is.
>
> Guvnor *is* the REST frontend for the drools repository. If you are not
> interested in the Guvnor UI and only seek to use the REST api, it should be
> possible to strip out the UI related pieces from the Guvnor war (web.xml,
> WEB-INF/lib, etc.), keep only the REST servlet and deploy a stripped down
> Guvnor war that fields only REST requests
>
>
>
> From: mike <mikemps(a)gmail.com>
> To: Rules Users List <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
> Date: 12/22/2011 10:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Drools integration common practice
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>
>
>
> Since I have not received an answer let me make the question more
> specific.
>
> Is it possible to interact with Drools via a rest api without Guvnor?
>
> Thank you
> Mike
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:05 PM, ronalbury <ronalbury(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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12:15 p.m.
I want to execute rules, interact with sessions, load objects into them,
update rules, everything that is possible to do with drools engine via a
REST api. Right now i am forced to do all this in java because I am using
the classes in the jars.
Drools-server sounds like what i need. But I haven't figured out how to get
it running. I would expect to get a war when downloading Drools Expert.
Thank you very much
Mike
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Mauricio Salatino <salaboy(a)gmail.com>wrote:
But once again.. do you want to interact with drools sessions or
with
the repository that store your rules??
If you don't want to use the repository just install drools-server
2011/12/22 mike <mikemps(a)gmail.com>:
> Yeah ... that's sort of my problem :) ... I was expecting to get a clean
war
> when downloading http://www.jboss.org/drools/downloads ... host that
in a
> server and hit it with REST calls from my language of choice
>
> So it looks like I must install Guvnor or do the stripping thing.
>
> Thank you very much
> Mike
>
>
> 2011/12/22 <GPatel(a)tsys.com>
>
>> Unless the experts disagree, I don't think that is possible as is.
>>
>> Guvnor *is* the REST frontend for the drools repository. If you are not
>> interested in the Guvnor UI and only seek to use the REST api, it
should be
>> possible to strip out the UI related pieces from the Guvnor war
(web.xml,
>> WEB-INF/lib, etc.), keep only the REST servlet and deploy a stripped
down
>> Guvnor war that fields only REST requests
>>
>>
>>
>> From: mike <mikemps(a)gmail.com>
>> To: Rules Users List <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
>> Date: 12/22/2011 10:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Drools integration common practice
>> Sent by: rules-users-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> Since I have not received an answer let me make the question more
>> specific.
>>
>> Is it possible to interact with Drools via a rest api without Guvnor?
>>
>> Thank you
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:05 PM, ronalbury <ronalbury(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am a complete newbie, but have seen several things written about using
>> Apache Camel for integration in situations similar to those you
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It should be in the downloads section:
http://www.jboss.org/drools/downloads
the Drools and jBPM integration package
2011/12/22 mike <mikemps(a)gmail.com>:
I want to execute rules, interact with sessions, load objects into
them,
update rules, everything that is possible to do with drools engine via a
REST api. Right now i am forced to do all this in java because I am using
the classes in the jars.
Drools-server sounds like what i need. But I haven't figured out how to get
it running. I would expect to get a war when downloading Drools Expert.
Thank you very much
Mike
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Mauricio Salatino <salaboy(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> But once again.. do you want to interact with drools sessions or with
> the repository that store your rules??
> If you don't want to use the repository just install drools-server
>
> 2011/12/22 mike <mikemps(a)gmail.com>:
> > Yeah ... that's sort of my problem :) ... I was expecting to get a clean
> > war
> > when downloading http://www.jboss.org/drools/downloads ... host that in
> > a
> > server and hit it with REST calls from my language of choice
> >
> > So it looks like I must install Guvnor or do the stripping thing.
> >
> > Thank you very much
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > 2011/12/22 <GPatel(a)tsys.com>
> >
> >> Unless the experts disagree, I don't think that is possible as is.
> >>
> >> Guvnor *is* the REST frontend for the drools repository. If you are not
> >> interested in the Guvnor UI and only seek to use the REST api, it
> >> should be
> >> possible to strip out the UI related pieces from the Guvnor war
> >> (web.xml,
> >> WEB-INF/lib, etc.), keep only the REST servlet and deploy a stripped
> >> down
> >> Guvnor war that fields only REST requests
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: mike <mikemps(a)gmail.com>
> >> To: Rules Users List <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
> >> Date: 12/22/2011 10:55 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Drools integration common practice
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> >>
> >> Since I have not received an answer let me make the question more
> >> specific.
> >>
> >> Is it possible to interact with Drools via a rest api without Guvnor?
> >>
> >> Thank you
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:05 PM, ronalbury <ronalbury(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> >> I am a complete newbie, but have seen several things written about
> >> using
> >> Apache Camel for integration in situations similar to those you
> >> describe.
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12:36 p.m.
Cool I downloaded droolsjbpm-tools-distribution-5.3.0.Final and there's no
.war in there either.
Cheers
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On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Mauricio Salatino <salaboy(a)gmail.com>wrote:
It should be in the downloads section:
http://www.jboss.org/drools/downloads
the Drools and jBPM integration package
2011/12/22 mike <mikemps(a)gmail.com>:
> I want to execute rules, interact with sessions, load objects into them,
> update rules, everything that is possible to do with drools engine via a
> REST api. Right now i am forced to do all this in java because I am using
> the classes in the jars.
>
> Drools-server sounds like what i need. But I haven't figured out how to
get
> it running. I would expect to get a war when downloading Drools Expert.
>
> Thank you very much
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Mauricio Salatino <salaboy(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> But once again.. do you want to interact with drools sessions or with
>> the repository that store your rules??
>> If you don't want to use the repository just install drools-server
>>
>> 2011/12/22 mike <mikemps(a)gmail.com>:
>> > Yeah ... that's sort of my problem :) ... I was expecting to get a
clean
>> > war
>> > when downloading http://www.jboss.org/drools/downloads ... host
that in
>> > a
>> > server and hit it with REST calls from my language of choice
>> >
>> > So it looks like I must install Guvnor or do the stripping thing.
>> >
>> > Thank you very much
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> > 2011/12/22 <GPatel(a)tsys.com>
>> >
>> >> Unless the experts disagree, I don't think that is possible as is.
>> >>
>> >> Guvnor *is* the REST frontend for the drools repository. If you are
not
>> >> interested in the Guvnor UI and only seek to use the REST api, it
>> >> should be
>> >> possible to strip out the UI related pieces from the Guvnor war
>> >> (web.xml,
>> >> WEB-INF/lib, etc.), keep only the REST servlet and deploy a stripped
>> >> down
>> >> Guvnor war that fields only REST requests
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: mike <mikemps(a)gmail.com>
>> >> To: Rules Users List <rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org>
>> >> Date: 12/22/2011 10:55 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Drools integration common practice
>> >> Sent by: rules-users-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org
>> >> ________________________________
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Since I have not received an answer let me make the question more
>> >> specific.
>> >>
>> >> Is it possible to interact with Drools via a rest api without Guvnor?
>> >>
>> >> Thank you
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:05 PM, ronalbury <ronalbury(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>> >> I am a complete newbie, but have seen several things written about
>> >> using
>> >> Apache Camel for integration in situations similar to those you
>> >> describe.
>> >>
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