9:50 p.m.
Hello; I've made a JCA resource adapter for Drools.
I've had to hack quite a bit to get it so that the KnowledgeAgent- and
resource-scanning-related parts don't use Threads, but, instead, use the
JCA-supplied WorkManager and BootstrapContext#createTimer() for asynchronous
operations (like resource scanning and notifying).
Here are some changes it would sure be nice to see, that I needed to hack
around in order to make it so that a KnowledgeAgent-produced KnowledgeBase
could be shared by Java EE components in a specification compliant manner:
1. ResourceChangeNotifierImpl#ProcessChangetSet is an inner class that is
marked as public static, but which has a package-protected constructor. I
have to create a new instance of this in order to create a
ResourceChangeNotifierImpl subclass that doesn't use threads. I hope this
constructor could be made public instead. Right now I'm calling
setAccessible(true). Yecch.
2. ResourceFactory#setFactoryService(): sure do wish this were public, or
that there were another way to install a ResourceFactoryService. I need to
do this so that the scanner and notifier are under my control (and don't use
Threads, but instead use Timers as provided by the JCA BootstrapContext
class). It appears that I do have some control here in Drools 5.1 with the
(undocumented) ServiceRegistry interface (how do I get an instance of it?
what does it do? is it used pervasively?), but I don't know, since it's
undocumented, whether it's the preferred way to do this sort of thing or
not.
3. All this indirection is really quite clunky, especially given the
META-INF/services facility. Was there a good reason this was not used? I'm
sure there was something, because having to consult a factory for a service
to get a provider to produce an instance of something is a bit much.
Hacking around those limitations, I was able to produce a Drools resource
adapter that vends KnowledgeBase instances as its user connection factories.
This means to use it in a spec-compliant manner, you do this in your
stateless (or stateful) session bean:
@Resource
private KnowledgeBase kb;
...and you get injected a wrapper KnowledgeBase that uses the Java EE
container's JCA machinery to invoke operations on the shared KnowledgeBase.
Is this something that would be interesting to other people? If so I am
happy to open source it.
Thanks for a great toolkit.
Best,
Laird
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8:14 a.m.
Let's continue this discussin on the dev mailing list, as it's
definitely of interest:
http://www.jboss.org/drools/lists.html
Mark
On 25/08/2010 03:50, ljnelson wrote:
Hello; I've made a JCA resource adapter for Drools.
I've had to hack quite a bit to get it so that the KnowledgeAgent- and
resource-scanning-related parts don't use Threads, but, instead, use the
JCA-supplied WorkManager and BootstrapContext#createTimer() for asynchronous
operations (like resource scanning and notifying).
Here are some changes it would sure be nice to see, that I needed to hack
around in order to make it so that a KnowledgeAgent-produced KnowledgeBase
could be shared by Java EE components in a specification compliant manner:
1. ResourceChangeNotifierImpl#ProcessChangetSet is an inner class that is
marked as public static, but which has a package-protected constructor. I
have to create a new instance of this in order to create a
ResourceChangeNotifierImpl subclass that doesn't use threads. I hope this
constructor could be made public instead. Right now I'm calling
setAccessible(true). Yecch.
2. ResourceFactory#setFactoryService(): sure do wish this were public, or
that there were another way to install a ResourceFactoryService. I need to
do this so that the scanner and notifier are under my control (and don't use
Threads, but instead use Timers as provided by the JCA BootstrapContext
class). It appears that I do have some control here in Drools 5.1 with the
(undocumented) ServiceRegistry interface (how do I get an instance of it?
what does it do? is it used pervasively?), but I don't know, since it's
undocumented, whether it's the preferred way to do this sort of thing or
not.
3. All this indirection is really quite clunky, especially given the
META-INF/services facility. Was there a good reason this was not used? I'm
sure there was something, because having to consult a factory for a service
to get a provider to produce an instance of something is a bit much.
Hacking around those limitations, I was able to produce a Drools resource
adapter that vends KnowledgeBase instances as its user connection factories.
This means to use it in a spec-compliant manner, you do this in your
stateless (or stateful) session bean:
@Resource
private KnowledgeBase kb;
...and you get injected a wrapper KnowledgeBase that uses the Java EE
container's JCA machinery to invoke operations on the shared KnowledgeBase.
Is this something that would be interesting to other people? If so I am
happy to open source it.
Thanks for a great toolkit.
Best,
Laird
8:24 a.m.
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Mark Proctor [via Drools - Java Rules
Engine]
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Let's continue this discussin on the dev mailing list, as
it's
definitely of interest:
http://www.jboss.org/drools/lists.html
Sure; see you over there.
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Laird, I also have a home grown JCA based rules solution but currently back
on drools 4 (we have not had time to upgrade yet). I would be interested in
seeing your implementation if you would be willing to share as mine does not
sound anywhere as sophisticated.
Mine provides a connection mechanism to a shared stateful session in which
facts can be added or removed and rules fired. Simplistic but it is
working for us for the moment. We currently use it mostly for SNMP trap
processing to correlate network device notifications and produce meaningful
alarms.
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http://www.jboss.org/drools/lists.html
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Very useful to the JEE community Laird. I just recently started working with the
KnowledgeAgent and Drools Guvnor; so I really feel the need. Please do let us all know
when your implementation is available in the trunk and/or a standalone version. :)
best wishes,
Andrew
On Aug 24, 2010, at 9:50 PM, ljnelson wrote:
Hello; I've made a JCA resource adapter for Drools.
I've had to hack quite a bit to get it so that the KnowledgeAgent- and
resource-scanning-related parts don't use Threads, but, instead, use the
JCA-supplied WorkManager and BootstrapContext#createTimer() for asynchronous
operations (like resource scanning and notifying).
Here are some changes it would sure be nice to see, that I needed to hack
around in order to make it so that a KnowledgeAgent-produced KnowledgeBase
could be shared by Java EE components in a specification compliant manner:
1. ResourceChangeNotifierImpl#ProcessChangetSet is an inner class that is
marked as public static, but which has a package-protected constructor. I
have to create a new instance of this in order to create a
ResourceChangeNotifierImpl subclass that doesn't use threads. I hope this
constructor could be made public instead. Right now I'm calling
setAccessible(true). Yecch.
2. ResourceFactory#setFactoryService(): sure do wish this were public, or
that there were another way to install a ResourceFactoryService. I need to
do this so that the scanner and notifier are under my control (and don't use
Threads, but instead use Timers as provided by the JCA BootstrapContext
class). It appears that I do have some control here in Drools 5.1 with the
(undocumented) ServiceRegistry interface (how do I get an instance of it?
what does it do? is it used pervasively?), but I don't know, since it's
undocumented, whether it's the preferred way to do this sort of thing or
not.
3. All this indirection is really quite clunky, especially given the
META-INF/services facility. Was there a good reason this was not used? I'm
sure there was something, because having to consult a factory for a service
to get a provider to produce an instance of something is a bit much.
Hacking around those limitations, I was able to produce a Drools resource
adapter that vends KnowledgeBase instances as its user connection factories.
This means to use it in a spec-compliant manner, you do this in your
stateless (or stateful) session bean:
@Resource
private KnowledgeBase kb;
...and you get injected a wrapper KnowledgeBase that uses the Java EE
container's JCA machinery to invoke operations on the shared KnowledgeBase.
Is this something that would be interesting to other people? If so I am
happy to open source it.
Thanks for a great toolkit.
Best,
Laird
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12:55 p.m.
Have a look at http://code.google.com/p/drools-jca/.
This is not (clearly) released yet; have a look at the source and see what
you think.
To build it: check it out, then, with Maven 2.2.1, run mvn clean install
from the root.
If you have all the right repositories set up in your settings.xml,
everything should complete normally. If you don't, Maven will tell you what
artifacts are missing, and a quick Google search will unveil the
repositories they're hosted in.
Best,
Laird
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Engine]
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wrote:
Very useful to the JEE community Laird. I just recently started
working
with the KnowledgeAgent and Drools Guvnor; so I really feel the need.
Please do let us all know when your implementation is available in the
trunk and/or a standalone version. :)
best wishes,
Andrew
On Aug 24, 2010, at 9:50 PM, ljnelson wrote:
>
> Hello; I've made a JCA resource adapter for Drools.
>
> I've had to hack quite a bit to get it so that the KnowledgeAgent- and
> resource-scanning-related parts don't use Threads, but, instead, use the
> JCA-supplied WorkManager and BootstrapContext#createTimer() for
asynchronous
> operations (like resource scanning and notifying).
>
> Here are some changes it would sure be nice to see, that I needed to hack
> around in order to make it so that a KnowledgeAgent-produced
KnowledgeBase
> could be shared by Java EE components in a specification compliant
manner:
>
> 1. ResourceChangeNotifierImpl#ProcessChangetSet is an inner class that is
> marked as public static, but which has a package-protected constructor.
I
> have to create a new instance of this in order to create a
> ResourceChangeNotifierImpl subclass that doesn't use threads. I hope
this
> constructor could be made public instead. Right now I'm calling
> setAccessible(true). Yecch.
>
> 2. ResourceFactory#setFactoryService(): sure do wish this were public, or
> that there were another way to install a ResourceFactoryService. I need
to
> do this so that the scanner and notifier are under my control (and don't
use
> Threads, but instead use Timers as provided by the JCA BootstrapContext
> class). It appears that I do have some control here in Drools 5.1 with
the
> (undocumented) ServiceRegistry interface (how do I get an instance of it?
> what does it do? is it used pervasively?), but I don't know, since it's
> undocumented, whether it's the preferred way to do this sort of thing or
> not.
>
> 3. All this indirection is really quite clunky, especially given the
> META-INF/services facility. Was there a good reason this was not used?
I'm
> sure there was something, because having to consult a factory for a
service
> to get a provider to produce an instance of something is a bit much.
>
> Hacking around those limitations, I was able to produce a Drools resource
> adapter that vends KnowledgeBase instances as its user connection
factories.
> This means to use it in a spec-compliant manner, you do this in your
> stateless (or stateful) session bean:
>
> @Resource
> private KnowledgeBase kb;
>
> ...and you get injected a wrapper KnowledgeBase that uses the Java EE
> container's JCA machinery to invoke operations on the shared
KnowledgeBase.
>
> Is this something that would be interesting to other people? If so I am
> happy to open source it.
>
> Thanks for a great toolkit.
>
> Best,
> Laird
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Huge thanks!
best,
A
On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:55 PM, ljnelson wrote:
Have a look at http://code.google.com/p/drools-jca/.
This is not (clearly) released yet; have a look at the source and see what you think.
To build it: check it out, then, with Maven 2.2.1, run mvn clean install from the root.
If you have all the right repositories set up in your settings.xml, everything should
complete normally. If you don't, Maven will tell you what artifacts are missing, and
a quick Google search will unveil the repositories they're hosted in.
Best,
Laird
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Andrew Waterman-2 [via Drools - Java Rules Engine]
<[hidden email]> wrote:
Very useful to the JEE community Laird. I just recently started working with the
KnowledgeAgent and Drools Guvnor; so I really feel the need. Please do let us all know
when your implementation is available in the trunk and/or a standalone version. :)
best wishes,
Andrew
On Aug 24, 2010, at 9:50 PM, ljnelson wrote:
>
> Hello; I've made a JCA resource adapter for Drools.
>
> I've had to hack quite a bit to get it so that the KnowledgeAgent- and
> resource-scanning-related parts don't use Threads, but, instead, use the
> JCA-supplied WorkManager and BootstrapContext#createTimer() for asynchronous
> operations (like resource scanning and notifying).
>
> Here are some changes it would sure be nice to see, that I needed to hack
> around in order to make it so that a KnowledgeAgent-produced KnowledgeBase
> could be shared by Java EE components in a specification compliant manner:
>
> 1. ResourceChangeNotifierImpl#ProcessChangetSet is an inner class that is
> marked as public static, but which has a package-protected constructor. I
> have to create a new instance of this in order to create a
> ResourceChangeNotifierImpl subclass that doesn't use threads. I hope this
> constructor could be made public instead. Right now I'm calling
> setAccessible(true). Yecch.
>
> 2. ResourceFactory#setFactoryService(): sure do wish this were public, or
> that there were another way to install a ResourceFactoryService. I need to
> do this so that the scanner and notifier are under my control (and don't use
> Threads, but instead use Timers as provided by the JCA BootstrapContext
> class). It appears that I do have some control here in Drools 5.1 with the
> (undocumented) ServiceRegistry interface (how do I get an instance of it?
> what does it do? is it used pervasively?), but I don't know, since it's
> undocumented, whether it's the preferred way to do this sort of thing or
> not.
>
> 3. All this indirection is really quite clunky, especially given the
> META-INF/services facility. Was there a good reason this was not used? I'm
> sure there was something, because having to consult a factory for a service
> to get a provider to produce an instance of something is a bit much.
>
> Hacking around those limitations, I was able to produce a Drools resource
> adapter that vends KnowledgeBase instances as its user connection factories.
> This means to use it in a spec-compliant manner, you do this in your
> stateless (or stateful) session bean:
>
> @Resource
> private KnowledgeBase kb;
>
> ...and you get injected a wrapper KnowledgeBase that uses the Java EE
> container's JCA machinery to invoke operations on the shared KnowledgeBase.
>
> Is this something that would be interesting to other people? If so I am
> happy to open source it.
>
> Thanks for a great toolkit.
>
> Best,
> Laird
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Hey Laird,
How do I configure the resource adaptor to load a specific resource? I have two
changesets I would like it to monitor. Is this handled in the ra.xml? I couldn't
seem to find what it was monitoring. :)
best wishes,
Andrew
On Aug 25, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Andrew Waterman wrote:
Huge thanks!
best,
A
On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:55 PM, ljnelson wrote:
> Have a look at http://code.google.com/p/drools-jca/.
>
> This is not (clearly) released yet; have a look at the source and see what you
think.
>
> To build it: check it out, then, with Maven 2.2.1, run mvn clean install from the
root.
>
> If you have all the right repositories set up in your settings.xml, everything should
complete normally. If you don't, Maven will tell you what artifacts are missing, and
a quick Google search will unveil the repositories they're hosted in.
>
> Best,
> Laird
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Andrew Waterman-2 [via Drools - Java Rules Engine]
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Very useful to the JEE community Laird. I just recently started working with the
KnowledgeAgent and Drools Guvnor; so I really feel the need. Please do let us all know
when your implementation is available in the trunk and/or a standalone version. :)
>
> best wishes,
>
> Andrew
>
>
> On Aug 24, 2010, at 9:50 PM, ljnelson wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello; I've made a JCA resource adapter for Drools.
> >
> > I've had to hack quite a bit to get it so that the KnowledgeAgent- and
> > resource-scanning-related parts don't use Threads, but, instead, use the
> > JCA-supplied WorkManager and BootstrapContext#createTimer() for asynchronous
> > operations (like resource scanning and notifying).
> >
> > Here are some changes it would sure be nice to see, that I needed to hack
> > around in order to make it so that a KnowledgeAgent-produced KnowledgeBase
> > could be shared by Java EE components in a specification compliant manner:
> >
> > 1. ResourceChangeNotifierImpl#ProcessChangetSet is an inner class that is
> > marked as public static, but which has a package-protected constructor. I
> > have to create a new instance of this in order to create a
> > ResourceChangeNotifierImpl subclass that doesn't use threads. I hope this
> > constructor could be made public instead. Right now I'm calling
> > setAccessible(true). Yecch.
> >
> > 2. ResourceFactory#setFactoryService(): sure do wish this were public, or
> > that there were another way to install a ResourceFactoryService. I need to
> > do this so that the scanner and notifier are under my control (and don't use
> > Threads, but instead use Timers as provided by the JCA BootstrapContext
> > class). It appears that I do have some control here in Drools 5.1 with the
> > (undocumented) ServiceRegistry interface (how do I get an instance of it?
> > what does it do? is it used pervasively?), but I don't know, since it's
> > undocumented, whether it's the preferred way to do this sort of thing or
> > not.
> >
> > 3. All this indirection is really quite clunky, especially given the
> > META-INF/services facility. Was there a good reason this was not used? I'm
> > sure there was something, because having to consult a factory for a service
> > to get a provider to produce an instance of something is a bit much.
> >
> > Hacking around those limitations, I was able to produce a Drools resource
> > adapter that vends KnowledgeBase instances as its user connection factories.
> > This means to use it in a spec-compliant manner, you do this in your
> > stateless (or stateful) session bean:
> >
> > @Resource
> > private KnowledgeBase kb;
> >
> > ...and you get injected a wrapper KnowledgeBase that uses the Java EE
> > container's JCA machinery to invoke operations on the shared KnowledgeBase.
> >
> > Is this something that would be interesting to other people? If so I am
> > happy to open source it.
> >
> > Thanks for a great toolkit.
> >
> > Best,
> > Laird
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Just found the configuration in ra.xml:
<config-property>
<config-property-name>changeSetResourceName</config-property-name>
<config-property-type>java.lang.String</config-property-type>
<config-property-value>rules/KnowledgeBases.xml</config-property-value>
</config-property>
Can I get it to support more than one changeSet? It would be nice to pass a list to
monitor.
best,
A
On Aug 26, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Andrew Waterman wrote:
Hey Laird,
How do I configure the resource adaptor to load a specific resource? I have two
changesets I would like it to monitor. Is this handled in the ra.xml? I couldn't
seem to find what it was monitoring. :)
best wishes,
Andrew
On Aug 25, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Andrew Waterman wrote:
> Huge thanks!
>
> best,
>
> A
>
> On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:55 PM, ljnelson wrote:
>
>> Have a look at http://code.google.com/p/drools-jca/.
>>
>> This is not (clearly) released yet; have a look at the source and see what you
think.
>>
>> To build it: check it out, then, with Maven 2.2.1, run mvn clean install from the
root.
>>
>> If you have all the right repositories set up in your settings.xml, everything
should complete normally. If you don't, Maven will tell you what artifacts are
missing, and a quick Google search will unveil the repositories they're hosted in.
>>
>> Best,
>> Laird
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Andrew Waterman-2 [via Drools - Java Rules
Engine] <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Very useful to the JEE community Laird. I just recently started working with the
KnowledgeAgent and Drools Guvnor; so I really feel the need. Please do let us all know
when your implementation is available in the trunk and/or a standalone version. :)
>>
>> best wishes,
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> On Aug 24, 2010, at 9:50 PM, ljnelson wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Hello; I've made a JCA resource adapter for Drools.
>> >
>> > I've had to hack quite a bit to get it so that the KnowledgeAgent- and
>> > resource-scanning-related parts don't use Threads, but, instead, use the
>> > JCA-supplied WorkManager and BootstrapContext#createTimer() for asynchronous
>> > operations (like resource scanning and notifying).
>> >
>> > Here are some changes it would sure be nice to see, that I needed to hack
>> > around in order to make it so that a KnowledgeAgent-produced KnowledgeBase
>> > could be shared by Java EE components in a specification compliant manner:
>> >
>> > 1. ResourceChangeNotifierImpl#ProcessChangetSet is an inner class that is
>> > marked as public static, but which has a package-protected constructor. I
>> > have to create a new instance of this in order to create a
>> > ResourceChangeNotifierImpl subclass that doesn't use threads. I hope
this
>> > constructor could be made public instead. Right now I'm calling
>> > setAccessible(true). Yecch.
>> >
>> > 2. ResourceFactory#setFactoryService(): sure do wish this were public, or
>> > that there were another way to install a ResourceFactoryService. I need to
>> > do this so that the scanner and notifier are under my control (and don't
use
>> > Threads, but instead use Timers as provided by the JCA BootstrapContext
>> > class). It appears that I do have some control here in Drools 5.1 with the
>> > (undocumented) ServiceRegistry interface (how do I get an instance of it?
>> > what does it do? is it used pervasively?), but I don't know, since
it's
>> > undocumented, whether it's the preferred way to do this sort of thing or
>> > not.
>> >
>> > 3. All this indirection is really quite clunky, especially given the
>> > META-INF/services facility. Was there a good reason this was not used?
I'm
>> > sure there was something, because having to consult a factory for a service
>> > to get a provider to produce an instance of something is a bit much.
>> >
>> > Hacking around those limitations, I was able to produce a Drools resource
>> > adapter that vends KnowledgeBase instances as its user connection factories.
>> > This means to use it in a spec-compliant manner, you do this in your
>> > stateless (or stateful) session bean:
>> >
>> > @Resource
>> > private KnowledgeBase kb;
>> >
>> > ...and you get injected a wrapper KnowledgeBase that uses the Java EE
>> > container's JCA machinery to invoke operations on the shared
KnowledgeBase.
>> >
>> > Is this something that would be interesting to other people? If so I am
>> > happy to open source it.
>> >
>> > Thanks for a great toolkit.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Laird
>> > --
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3:15 p.m.
The changeset itself dictates what resources to monitor, if I understand it
properly, so if you're just looking for new packages just add them to the
changeset. You probably know that already.
See the <addResource> line in KnowledgeBases.xml.
But yes, that's all within one KnowledgeBase (I should rename the default
name of that changeset file to KnowledgeBase.xml or something like that.).
Anyhow, I suspect that it would be useful to allow the resource adapter to
create more than one KnowledgeBase. I'm not entirely sure, frankly, how to
set that up. I think that since a KnowledgeBase maps to the overly latinate
and annoying JCA concept of a (deep breath) user connection factory {eyes
glaze over}, that there's probably a way to move the KnowledgeAgent creation
code out of the resource adapter bootstrap area and into...into...a better
area {handwave, handwave} where several KnowledgeAgents might be able to be
built.
Short answer: no. :-) Longer answer: yeah, there should be a way to do
that.
Best,
Laird
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Andrew Waterman-2 [via Drools - Java Rules
Engine]
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wrote:
> Just found the configuration in ra.xml:
>
> <config-property>
> <config-property-name>changeSetResourceName</config-property-name>
> <config-property-type>java.lang.String</config-property-type>
>
> <config-property-value>rules/KnowledgeBases.xml</config-property-value>
> </config-property>
>
> Can I get it to support more than one changeSet? It would be nice to pass
> a list to monitor.
>
> best,
>
> A
>
> On Aug 26, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Andrew Waterman wrote:
>
> Hey Laird,
>
> How do I configure the resource adaptor to load a specific resource? I
> have two changesets I would like it to monitor. Is this handled in the
> ra.xml? I couldn't seem to find what it was monitoring. :)
>
> best wishes,
>
> Andrew
>
> On Aug 25, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Andrew Waterman wrote:
>
> Huge thanks!
>
> best,
>
> A
>
> On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:55 PM, ljnelson wrote:
>
> Have a look at http://code.google.com/p/drools-jca/.
>
> This is not (clearly) released yet; have a look at the source and see what
> you think.
>
> To build it: check it out, then, with Maven 2.2.1, run mvn clean install
> from the root.
>
> If you have all the right repositories set up in your settings.xml,
> everything should complete normally. If you don't, Maven will tell you what
> artifacts are missing, and a quick Google search will unveil the
> repositories they're hosted in.
>
> Best,
> Laird
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Andrew Waterman-2 [via Drools - Java Rules
> Engine] <[hidden email] <#12ab0057a653eef3_> wrote:
>
>> Very useful to the JEE community Laird. I just recently started working
>> with the KnowledgeAgent and Drools Guvnor; so I really feel the need.
>> Please do let us all know when your implementation is available in the
>> trunk and/or a standalone version. :)
>>
>> best wishes,
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> On Aug 24, 2010, at 9:50 PM, ljnelson wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Hello; I've made a JCA resource adapter for Drools.
>> >
>> > I've had to hack quite a bit to get it so that the KnowledgeAgent- and
>> > resource-scanning-related parts don't use Threads, but, instead, use
the
>>
>> > JCA-supplied WorkManager and BootstrapContext#createTimer() for
>> asynchronous
>> > operations (like resource scanning and notifying).
>> >
>> > Here are some changes it would sure be nice to see, that I needed to
>> hack
>> > around in order to make it so that a KnowledgeAgent-produced
>> KnowledgeBase
>> > could be shared by Java EE components in a specification compliant
>> manner:
>> >
>> > 1. ResourceChangeNotifierImpl#ProcessChangetSet is an inner class that
>> is
>> > marked as public static, but which has a package-protected constructor.
>> I
>> > have to create a new instance of this in order to create a
>> > ResourceChangeNotifierImpl subclass that doesn't use threads. I hope
>> this
>> > constructor could be made public instead. Right now I'm calling
>> > setAccessible(true). Yecch.
>> >
>> > 2. ResourceFactory#setFactoryService(): sure do wish this were public,
>> or
>> > that there were another way to install a ResourceFactoryService. I need
>> to
>> > do this so that the scanner and notifier are under my control (and
don't
>> use
>> > Threads, but instead use Timers as provided by the JCA BootstrapContext
>> > class). It appears that I do have some control here in Drools 5.1 with
>> the
>> > (undocumented) ServiceRegistry interface (how do I get an instance of
>> it?
>> > what does it do? is it used pervasively?), but I don't know, since
it's
>> > undocumented, whether it's the preferred way to do this sort of thing
or
>>
>> > not.
>> >
>> > 3. All this indirection is really quite clunky, especially given the
>> > META-INF/services facility. Was there a good reason this was not used?
>> I'm
>> > sure there was something, because having to consult a factory for a
>> service
>> > to get a provider to produce an instance of something is a bit much.
>> >
>> > Hacking around those limitations, I was able to produce a Drools
>> resource
>> > adapter that vends KnowledgeBase instances as its user connection
>> factories.
>> > This means to use it in a spec-compliant manner, you do this in your
>> > stateless (or stateful) session bean:
>> >
>> > @Resource
>> > private KnowledgeBase kb;
>> >
>> > ...and you get injected a wrapper KnowledgeBase that uses the Java EE
>> > container's JCA machinery to invoke operations on the shared
>> KnowledgeBase.
>> >
>> > Is this something that would be interesting to other people? If so I am
>>
>> > happy to open source it.
>> >
>> > Thanks for a great toolkit.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Laird
>> > --
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>>
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3:28 p.m.
Many thanks, Laird. Although, I can't seem to find the "KnowledgeBases.xml"
in the repository. Where should it be located? In drools-rar resources?
I just need the knowledge agent to check on a set of runtime changesets, and be able to
update the embedded knowledgebase on change. Can I script a call into the RAR's
configuration through JNDI and get the internal knowledge agent to do an
"applyChangeSet"?
The user connection factory concept seems like a good way to go, if a bit of work.
best,
A
On Aug 26, 2010, at 3:15 PM, ljnelson wrote:
The changeset itself dictates what resources to monitor, if I
understand it properly, so if you're just looking for new packages just add them to
the changeset. You probably know that already.
See the <addResource> line in KnowledgeBases.xml.
But yes, that's all within one KnowledgeBase (I should rename the default name of
that changeset file to KnowledgeBase.xml or something like that.).
Anyhow, I suspect that it would be useful to allow the resource adapter to create more
than one KnowledgeBase. I'm not entirely sure, frankly, how to set that up. I think
that since a KnowledgeBase maps to the overly latinate and annoying JCA concept of a (deep
breath) user connection factory {eyes glaze over}, that there's probably a way to move
the KnowledgeAgent creation code out of the resource adapter bootstrap area and
into...into...a better area {handwave, handwave} where several KnowledgeAgents might be
able to be built.
Short answer: no. :-) Longer answer: yeah, there should be a way to do that.
Best,
Laird
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Andrew Waterman-2 [via Drools - Java Rules Engine]
<[hidden email]> wrote:
Just found the configuration in ra.xml:
<config-property>
<config-property-name>changeSetResourceName</config-property-name>
<config-property-type>java.lang.String</config-property-type>
<config-property-value>rules/KnowledgeBases.xml</config-property-value>
</config-property>
Can I get it to support more than one changeSet? It would be nice to pass a list to
monitor.
best,
A
On Aug 26, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Andrew Waterman wrote:
> Hey Laird,
>
> How do I configure the resource adaptor to load a specific resource? I have two
changesets I would like it to monitor. Is this handled in the ra.xml? I couldn't
seem to find what it was monitoring. :)
>
> best wishes,
>
> Andrew
>
> On Aug 25, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Andrew Waterman wrote:
>
>> Huge thanks!
>>
>> best,
>>
>> A
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:55 PM, ljnelson wrote:
>>
>>> Have a look at http://code.google.com/p/drools-jca/.
>>>
>>> This is not (clearly) released yet; have a look at the source and see what
you think.
>>>
>>> To build it: check it out, then, with Maven 2.2.1, run mvn clean install from
the root.
>>>
>>> If you have all the right repositories set up in your settings.xml,
everything should complete normally. If you don't, Maven will tell you what artifacts
are missing, and a quick Google search will unveil the repositories they're hosted
in.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Laird
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Andrew Waterman-2 [via Drools - Java Rules
Engine] <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Very useful to the JEE community Laird. I just recently started working with
the KnowledgeAgent and Drools Guvnor; so I really feel the need. Please do let us all
know when your implementation is available in the trunk and/or a standalone version. :)
>>>
>>> best wishes,
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 24, 2010, at 9:50 PM, ljnelson wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Hello; I've made a JCA resource adapter for Drools.
>>> >
>>> > I've had to hack quite a bit to get it so that the KnowledgeAgent-
and
>>> > resource-scanning-related parts don't use Threads, but, instead, use
the
>>> > JCA-supplied WorkManager and BootstrapContext#createTimer() for
asynchronous
>>> > operations (like resource scanning and notifying).
>>> >
>>> > Here are some changes it would sure be nice to see, that I needed to
hack
>>> > around in order to make it so that a KnowledgeAgent-produced
KnowledgeBase
>>> > could be shared by Java EE components in a specification compliant
manner:
>>> >
>>> > 1. ResourceChangeNotifierImpl#ProcessChangetSet is an inner class that
is
>>> > marked as public static, but which has a package-protected constructor.
I
>>> > have to create a new instance of this in order to create a
>>> > ResourceChangeNotifierImpl subclass that doesn't use threads. I
hope this
>>> > constructor could be made public instead. Right now I'm calling
>>> > setAccessible(true). Yecch.
>>> >
>>> > 2. ResourceFactory#setFactoryService(): sure do wish this were public,
or
>>> > that there were another way to install a ResourceFactoryService. I need
to
>>> > do this so that the scanner and notifier are under my control (and
don't use
>>> > Threads, but instead use Timers as provided by the JCA BootstrapContext
>>> > class). It appears that I do have some control here in Drools 5.1 with
the
>>> > (undocumented) ServiceRegistry interface (how do I get an instance of
it?
>>> > what does it do? is it used pervasively?), but I don't know, since
it's
>>> > undocumented, whether it's the preferred way to do this sort of
thing or
>>> > not.
>>> >
>>> > 3. All this indirection is really quite clunky, especially given the
>>> > META-INF/services facility. Was there a good reason this was not used?
I'm
>>> > sure there was something, because having to consult a factory for a
service
>>> > to get a provider to produce an instance of something is a bit much.
>>> >
>>> > Hacking around those limitations, I was able to produce a Drools
resource
>>> > adapter that vends KnowledgeBase instances as its user connection
factories.
>>> > This means to use it in a spec-compliant manner, you do this in your
>>> > stateless (or stateful) session bean:
>>> >
>>> > @Resource
>>> > private KnowledgeBase kb;
>>> >
>>> > ...and you get injected a wrapper KnowledgeBase that uses the Java EE
>>> > container's JCA machinery to invoke operations on the shared
KnowledgeBase.
>>> >
>>> > Is this something that would be interesting to other people? If so I am
>>> > happy to open source it.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for a great toolkit.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > Laird
>>> > --
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3:38 p.m.
Oh, you're right. Oh, I remember what I was thinking. :-) I didn't want
to ship with a default change set, because hey, I don't know what your
changeset is going to be. So I set up a default place that the resource
adapter *looks* for a change set .xml file. If you either (a) put such a
changeset in that (classpath) location or (b) change the resource adapter
configuration to look somewhere else and put a changeset in THAT location,
then everything will be fine.
Here's my changeset:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<change-set xmlns="http://drools.org/drools-5.0/change-set" xmlns:xs="
http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xs:schemaLocation="
http://drools.org/drools-5.0/change-set
http://anonsvn.jboss.org/repos/labs/labs/jbossrules/tags/5.0.1.26597.FINA...
">
<add>
<resource source="classpath:rules/rules.drl" type="DRL">
</resource>
</add>
</change-set>
So, again, following the bouncing ball:
1. The resource adapter has a config file (META-INF/ra.xml) that tells it
where its changeset is.
2. The changeset specifies potentially many URLs where .drl resources can
be found. This is described in the Drools documentation.
Supplied with the source code is META-INF/ra.xml and nothing else.
Best,
Laird
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Andrew Waterman-2 [via Drools - Java Rules
Engine]
<ml-node+1360374-122574974-10124@n3.nabble.com<ml-node%2B1360374-122574974-10124(a)n3.nabble.com>
wrote:
> Many thanks, Laird. Although, I can't seem to find the
> "KnowledgeBases.xml" in the repository. Where should it be located? In
> drools-rar resources?
>
> I just need the knowledge agent to check on a set of runtime changesets,
> and be able to update the embedded knowledgebase on change. Can I script a
> call into the RAR's configuration through JNDI and get the internal
> knowledge agent to do an "applyChangeSet"?
>
> The user connection factory concept seems like a good way to go, if a bit
> of work.
>
> best,
>
> A
>
> On Aug 26, 2010, at 3:15 PM, ljnelson wrote:
>
> The changeset itself dictates what resources to monitor, if I understand it
> properly, so if you're just looking for new packages just add them to the
> changeset. You probably know that already.
>
> See the <addResource> line in KnowledgeBases.xml.
>
> But yes, that's all within one KnowledgeBase (I should rename the default
> name of that changeset file to KnowledgeBase.xml or something like that.).
>
> Anyhow, I suspect that it would be useful to allow the resource adapter to
> create more than one KnowledgeBase. I'm not entirely sure, frankly, how to
> set that up. I think that since a KnowledgeBase maps to the overly latinate
> and annoying JCA concept of a (deep breath) user connection factory {eyes
> glaze over}, that there's probably a way to move the KnowledgeAgent creation
> code out of the resource adapter bootstrap area and into...into...a better
> area {handwave, handwave} where several KnowledgeAgents might be able to be
> built.
>
> Short answer: no. :-) Longer answer: yeah, there should be a way to do
> that.
>
> Best,
> Laird
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Andrew Waterman-2 [via Drools - Java Rules
> Engine] <[hidden email] <#12ab017e7f30316c_> wrote:
>
>> Just found the configuration in ra.xml:
>>
>> <config-property>
>>
<config-property-name>changeSetResourceName</config-property-name>
>> <config-property-type>java.lang.String</config-property-type>
>>
>>
<config-property-value>rules/KnowledgeBases.xml</config-property-value>
>> </config-property>
>>
>> Can I get it to support more than one changeSet? It would be nice to pass
>> a list to monitor.
>>
>> best,
>>
>> A
>>
>> On Aug 26, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Andrew Waterman wrote:
>>
>> Hey Laird,
>>
>> How do I configure the resource adaptor to load a specific resource? I
>> have two changesets I would like it to monitor. Is this handled in the
>> ra.xml? I couldn't seem to find what it was monitoring. :)
>>
>> best wishes,
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Andrew Waterman wrote:
>>
>> Huge thanks!
>>
>> best,
>>
>> A
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:55 PM, ljnelson wrote:
>>
>> Have a look at http://code.google.com/p/drools-jca/.
>>
>> This is not (clearly) released yet; have a look at the source and see what
>> you think.
>>
>> To build it: check it out, then, with Maven 2.2.1, run mvn clean install
>> from the root.
>>
>> If you have all the right repositories set up in your settings.xml,
>> everything should complete normally. If you don't, Maven will tell you what
>> artifacts are missing, and a quick Google search will unveil the
>> repositories they're hosted in.
>>
>> Best,
>> Laird
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Andrew Waterman-2 [via Drools - Java
>> Rules Engine] <[hidden email] <#12ab017e7f30316c_> wrote:
>>
>>> Very useful to the JEE community Laird. I just recently started working
>>> with the KnowledgeAgent and Drools Guvnor; so I really feel the need.
>>> Please do let us all know when your implementation is available in the
>>> trunk and/or a standalone version. :)
>>>
>>> best wishes,
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 24, 2010, at 9:50 PM, ljnelson wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Hello; I've made a JCA resource adapter for Drools.
>>> >
>>> > I've had to hack quite a bit to get it so that the KnowledgeAgent-
and
>>> > resource-scanning-related parts don't use Threads, but, instead,
use
>>> the
>>> > JCA-supplied WorkManager and BootstrapContext#createTimer() for
>>> asynchronous
>>> > operations (like resource scanning and notifying).
>>> >
>>> > Here are some changes it would sure be nice to see, that I needed to
>>> hack
>>> > around in order to make it so that a KnowledgeAgent-produced
>>> KnowledgeBase
>>> > could be shared by Java EE components in a specification compliant
>>> manner:
>>> >
>>> > 1. ResourceChangeNotifierImpl#ProcessChangetSet is an inner class that
>>> is
>>> > marked as public static, but which has a package-protected constructor.
>>> I
>>> > have to create a new instance of this in order to create a
>>> > ResourceChangeNotifierImpl subclass that doesn't use threads. I
hope
>>> this
>>> > constructor could be made public instead. Right now I'm calling
>>> > setAccessible(true). Yecch.
>>> >
>>> > 2. ResourceFactory#setFactoryService(): sure do wish this were public,
>>> or
>>> > that there were another way to install a ResourceFactoryService. I
>>> need to
>>> > do this so that the scanner and notifier are under my control (and
>>> don't use
>>> > Threads, but instead use Timers as provided by the JCA BootstrapContext
>>>
>>> > class). It appears that I do have some control here in Drools 5.1 with
>>> the
>>> > (undocumented) ServiceRegistry interface (how do I get an instance of
>>> it?
>>> > what does it do? is it used pervasively?), but I don't know, since
it's
>>>
>>> > undocumented, whether it's the preferred way to do this sort of
thing
>>> or
>>> > not.
>>> >
>>> > 3. All this indirection is really quite clunky, especially given the
>>> > META-INF/services facility. Was there a good reason this was not used?
>>> I'm
>>> > sure there was something, because having to consult a factory for a
>>> service
>>> > to get a provider to produce an instance of something is a bit much.
>>> >
>>> > Hacking around those limitations, I was able to produce a Drools
>>> resource
>>> > adapter that vends KnowledgeBase instances as its user connection
>>> factories.
>>> > This means to use it in a spec-compliant manner, you do this in your
>>> > stateless (or stateful) session bean:
>>> >
>>> > @Resource
>>> > private KnowledgeBase kb;
>>> >
>>> > ...and you get injected a wrapper KnowledgeBase that uses the Java EE
>>> > container's JCA machinery to invoke operations on the shared
>>> KnowledgeBase.
>>> >
>>> > Is this something that would be interesting to other people? If so I
>>> am
>>> > happy to open source it.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for a great toolkit.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
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Okay, cool. So where's the magic location? :)
I think for my purposes things should be okay, my DRLs for our games (we write rules based
games down here for natural resource management), should work together in the same
Ksession, as the rules activate depending on specific objects in memory. I guess I'll
have to pose another question to the list regarding building a KnowledgeBase from multiple
guvnor packages -- not sure if that's possible. :)
best wishes,
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On Aug 26, 2010, at 3:38 PM, ljnelson wrote:
Oh, you're right. Oh, I remember what I was thinking. :-) I
didn't want to ship with a default change set, because hey, I don't know what your
changeset is going to be. So I set up a default place that the resource adapter *looks*
for a change set .xml file. If you either (a) put such a changeset in that (classpath)
location or (b) change the resource adapter configuration to look somewhere else and put a
changeset in THAT location, then everything will be fine.
Here's my changeset:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<change-set xmlns="http://drools.org/drools-5.0/change-set"
xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xs:schemaLocation="http://drools.org/drools-5.0/change-set
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<add>
<resource source="classpath:rules/rules.drl" type="DRL">
</resource>
</add>
</change-set>
So, again, following the bouncing ball:
The resource adapter has a config file (META-INF/ra.xml) that tells it where its
changeset is.
The changeset specifies potentially many URLs where .drl resources can be found. This is
described in the Drools documentation.
Supplied with the source code is META-INF/ra.xml and nothing else.
Best,
Laird
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Many thanks, Laird. Although, I can't seem to find the
"KnowledgeBases.xml" in the repository. Where should it be located? In
drools-rar resources?
I just need the knowledge agent to check on a set of runtime changesets, and be able to
update the embedded knowledgebase on change. Can I script a call into the RAR's
configuration through JNDI and get the internal knowledge agent to do an
"applyChangeSet"?
The user connection factory concept seems like a good way to go, if a bit of work.
best,
A
On Aug 26, 2010, at 3:15 PM, ljnelson wrote:
> The changeset itself dictates what resources to monitor, if I understand it properly,
so if you're just looking for new packages just add them to the changeset. You
probably know that already.
>
> See the <addResource> line in KnowledgeBases.xml.
>
> But yes, that's all within one KnowledgeBase (I should rename the default name of
that changeset file to KnowledgeBase.xml or something like that.).
>
> Anyhow, I suspect that it would be useful to allow the resource adapter to create
more than one KnowledgeBase. I'm not entirely sure, frankly, how to set that up. I
think that since a KnowledgeBase maps to the overly latinate and annoying JCA concept of a
(deep breath) user connection factory {eyes glaze over}, that there's probably a way
to move the KnowledgeAgent creation code out of the resource adapter bootstrap area and
into...into...a better area {handwave, handwave} where several KnowledgeAgents might be
able to be built.
>
> Short answer: no. :-) Longer answer: yeah, there should be a way to do that.
>
> Best,
> Laird
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Andrew Waterman-2 [via Drools - Java Rules Engine]
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> Just found the configuration in ra.xml:
>
> <config-property>
> <config-property-name>changeSetResourceName</config-property-name>
> <config-property-type>java.lang.String</config-property-type>
>
<config-property-value>rules/KnowledgeBases.xml</config-property-value>
> </config-property>
>
> Can I get it to support more than one changeSet? It would be nice to pass a list to
monitor.
>
> best,
>
> A
>
> On Aug 26, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Andrew Waterman wrote:
>
>> Hey Laird,
>>
>> How do I configure the resource adaptor to load a specific resource? I have two
changesets I would like it to monitor. Is this handled in the ra.xml? I couldn't
seem to find what it was monitoring. :)
>>
>> best wishes,
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Andrew Waterman wrote:
>>
>>> Huge thanks!
>>>
>>> best,
>>>
>>> A
>>>
>>> On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:55 PM, ljnelson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have a look at http://code.google.com/p/drools-jca/.
>>>>
>>>> This is not (clearly) released yet; have a look at the source and see
what you think.
>>>>
>>>> To build it: check it out, then, with Maven 2.2.1, run mvn clean install
from the root.
>>>>
>>>> If you have all the right repositories set up in your settings.xml,
everything should complete normally. If you don't, Maven will tell you what artifacts
are missing, and a quick Google search will unveil the repositories they're hosted
in.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Laird
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Andrew Waterman-2 [via Drools - Java
Rules Engine] <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Very useful to the JEE community Laird. I just recently started working
with the KnowledgeAgent and Drools Guvnor; so I really feel the need. Please do let us
all know when your implementation is available in the trunk and/or a standalone version.
:)
>>>>
>>>> best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 24, 2010, at 9:50 PM, ljnelson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Hello; I've made a JCA resource adapter for Drools.
>>>> >
>>>> > I've had to hack quite a bit to get it so that the
KnowledgeAgent- and
>>>> > resource-scanning-related parts don't use Threads, but, instead,
use the
>>>> > JCA-supplied WorkManager and BootstrapContext#createTimer() for
asynchronous
>>>> > operations (like resource scanning and notifying).
>>>> >
>>>> > Here are some changes it would sure be nice to see, that I needed to
hack
>>>> > around in order to make it so that a KnowledgeAgent-produced
KnowledgeBase
>>>> > could be shared by Java EE components in a specification compliant
manner:
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. ResourceChangeNotifierImpl#ProcessChangetSet is an inner class
that is
>>>> > marked as public static, but which has a package-protected
constructor. I
>>>> > have to create a new instance of this in order to create a
>>>> > ResourceChangeNotifierImpl subclass that doesn't use threads. I
hope this
>>>> > constructor could be made public instead. Right now I'm calling
>>>> > setAccessible(true). Yecch.
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. ResourceFactory#setFactoryService(): sure do wish this were
public, or
>>>> > that there were another way to install a ResourceFactoryService. I
need to
>>>> > do this so that the scanner and notifier are under my control (and
don't use
>>>> > Threads, but instead use Timers as provided by the JCA
BootstrapContext
>>>> > class). It appears that I do have some control here in Drools 5.1
with the
>>>> > (undocumented) ServiceRegistry interface (how do I get an instance
of it?
>>>> > what does it do? is it used pervasively?), but I don't know,
since it's
>>>> > undocumented, whether it's the preferred way to do this sort of
thing or
>>>> > not.
>>>> >
>>>> > 3. All this indirection is really quite clunky, especially given the
>>>> > META-INF/services facility. Was there a good reason this was not
used? I'm
>>>> > sure there was something, because having to consult a factory for a
service
>>>> > to get a provider to produce an instance of something is a bit much.
>>>> >
>>>> > Hacking around those limitations, I was able to produce a Drools
resource
>>>> > adapter that vends KnowledgeBase instances as its user connection
factories.
>>>> > This means to use it in a spec-compliant manner, you do this in your
>>>> > stateless (or stateful) session bean:
>>>> >
>>>> > @Resource
>>>> > private KnowledgeBase kb;
>>>> >
>>>> > ...and you get injected a wrapper KnowledgeBase that uses the Java
EE
>>>> > container's JCA machinery to invoke operations on the shared
KnowledgeBase.
>>>> >
>>>> > Is this something that would be interesting to other people? If so
I am
>>>> > happy to open source it.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for a great toolkit.
>>>> >
>>>> > Best,
>>>> > Laird
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Okay, cool. So where's the magic location? :)
The magic location...is...unless I'm missing something...specified in ra.xml.
Here's what that part of ra.xml looks like (lines 39-43 from
http://code.google.com/p/drools-jca/source/browse/trunk/drools-rar/src/ma...):
<config-property>
<config-property-name>changeSetResourceName</config-property-name>
<config-property-type>java.lang.String</config-property-type>
<config-property-value>rules/KnowledgeBases.xml</config-property-value>
<!-- this can be any classpath resource you want -->
</config-property>
So in this example somewhere in the resource adapter's classpath
(which in my case is usually in a jar file in the lib directory of an
.ear file that houses the .rar file), you should have
rules/KnowledgeBases.xml. This can be named anything you want;
there's nothing special about the name.
That file, as I posted before, is your changeset, and following the
XSD that I didn't write :-) looks like this:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<change-set xmlns="http://drools.org/drools-5.0/change-set"
xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xs:schemaLocation="http://drools.org/drools-5.0/change-set
http://anonsvn.jboss.org/repos/labs/labs/jbossrules/tags/5.0.1.26597.FINA...
<add>
<resource source="classpath:rules/rules.drl"
type="DRL"></resource>
</add>
</change-set>
The <resource source=""/> part is up to you and has to be a URL. One
of the allowed URL protocols I discovered is classpath:, so that's
what I used in my stuff. You could use file:, ftp:, http:, whatever;
the URL could (and probably should) point to a Guvnor package as well.
Then you have the added benefit that if that package ever changes,
the KnowledgeAgent will automatically pick it up.
I hope that helps.
Best,
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Thanks Laird, I wasn't sure if the property was for the file path or the classpath.
best,
A
On Aug 26, 2010, at 5:06 PM, ljnelson wrote:
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Andrew Waterman-2 [via Drools - Java
Rules Engine] <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Okay, cool. So where's the magic location? :)
The magic location...is...unless I'm missing something...specified in ra.xml.
Here's what that part of ra.xml looks like (lines 39-43 from
http://code.google.com/p/drools-jca/source/browse/trunk/drools-rar/src/ma...):
<config-property>
<config-property-name>changeSetResourceName</config-property-name>
<config-property-type>java.lang.String</config-property-type>
<config-property-value>rules/KnowledgeBases.xml</config-property-value>
<!-- this can be any classpath resource you want -->
</config-property>
So in this example somewhere in the resource adapter's classpath
(which in my case is usually in a jar file in the lib directory of an
.ear file that houses the .rar file), you should have
rules/KnowledgeBases.xml. This can be named anything you want;
there's nothing special about the name.
That file, as I posted before, is your changeset, and following the
XSD that I didn't write :-) looks like this:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<change-set xmlns="http://drools.org/drools-5.0/change-set"
xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xs:schemaLocation="http://drools.org/drools-5.0/change-set
http://anonsvn.jboss.org/repos/labs/labs/jbossrules/tags/5.0.1.26597.FINA...
<add>
<resource source="classpath:rules/rules.drl"
type="DRL"></resource>
</add>
</change-set>
The <resource source=""/> part is up to you and has to be a URL. One
of the allowed URL protocols I discovered is classpath:, so that's
what I used in my stuff. You could use file:, ftp:, http:, whatever;
the URL could (and probably should) point to a Guvnor package as well.
Then you have the added benefit that if that package ever changes,
the KnowledgeAgent will automatically pick it up.
I hope that helps.
Best,
Laird
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Thanks Laird, I wasn't sure if the property was for the file path
or the
classpath.
Ah! Gotcha. Yep, classpath. I developed this resource adapter for
use inside an ear file. I would be interested to see how it plays if
you use it standalone--one of the things I'm not clear on is where in
such a case the changeset should live, so perhaps this too should be a
URL parameter with "classpath:" as one of the possible protocols.
Best,
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