10:12 a.m.
so now that WebPush is going to take over SimplePush, i'm thinking of
closing the related JIRA's that we have open for simple push in the AG-JS
instance.
Not that we've really done any work on it lately, but it would be good to
clean this up a little.
Thoughts?
-Luke
10:17 a.m.
+1
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Luke Holmquist <lholmqui(a)redhat.com> wrote:
so now that WebPush is going to take over SimplePush, i'm
thinking of
closing the related JIRA's that we have open for simple push in the AG-JS
instance.
Not that we've really done any work on it lately, but it would be good to
clean this up a little.
Thoughts?
-Luke
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+1
måndag 31 augusti 2015 skrev Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com>:
+1
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Luke Holmquist <lholmqui(a)redhat.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lholmqui@redhat.com');>> wrote:
> so now that WebPush is going to take over SimplePush, i'm thinking of
> closing the related JIRA's that we have open for simple push in the AG-JS
> instance.
>
>
> Not that we've really done any work on it lately, but it would be good
> to clean this up a little.
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> -Luke
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2:45 p.m.
+1
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On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Daniel Bevenius <daniel.bevenius(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
+1
måndag 31 augusti 2015 skrev Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com>:
> +1
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Luke Holmquist <lholmqui(a)redhat.com>
> wrote:
>
>> so now that WebPush is going to take over SimplePush, i'm thinking of
>> closing the related JIRA's that we have open for simple push in the AG-JS
>> instance.
>>
>>
>> Not that we've really done any work on it lately, but it would be good
>> to clean this up a little.
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>> -Luke
>>
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+4
(sorry, just had some fun with a bounding issue, and felt like sharing.)
Just to let y'all know, we're going to be running SimplePush for a
while, mostly for older devices. One thing we discovered is that some
clients may have a LARGE number of old channels registered and sending
them as part of the Hello is a waste. (Our server doesn't pay attention
to them.) Newer clients may have an interim fix that blanks the
clientIDs:[] record.) Aside from that, we're definitely not going to be
pushing any changes that should impact your library.
We've not stood up a production WebPush server, partly because the data
encryption portion of the standard is still under discussion. For what
it's worth, there are also a few other discussion points that have yet
to be finalized (e.g. should developers register with servers, should
clients specify channels like they did for SimplePush, etc.) but the
data bit is the biggest obstacle.
As always, thanks so much for the continuing support.
On 8/31/2015 12:45 PM, Idel Pivnitskiy wrote:
+1
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On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Daniel Bevenius
<daniel.bevenius(a)gmail.com <mailto:daniel.bevenius@gmail.com>> wrote:
+1
måndag 31 augusti 2015 skrev Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com
<mailto:scm.blanc@gmail.com>>:
+1
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Luke Holmquist
<lholmqui(a)redhat.com> wrote:
so now that WebPush is going to take over SimplePush, i'm
thinking of closing the related JIRA's that we have open
for simple push in the AG-JS instance.
Not that we've really done any work on it lately, but it
would be good to clean this up a little.
Thoughts?
-Luke
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2:02 p.m.
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 6:59 PM, JR Conlin <jrconlin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
+4
(sorry, just had some fun with a bounding issue, and felt like sharing.)
Just to let y'all know, we're going to be running SimplePush for a while,
mostly for older devices. One thing we discovered is that some clients may
have a LARGE number of old channels registered and sending them as part of
the Hello is a waste. (Our server doesn't pay attention to them.) Newer
clients may have an interim fix that blanks the clientIDs:[] record.) Aside
from that, we're definitely not going to be pushing any changes that should
impact your library.
We've not stood up a production WebPush server, partly because the data
encryption portion of the standard is still under discussion. For what it's
worth, there are also a few other discussion points that have yet to be
finalized (e.g. should developers register with servers, should clients
specify channels like they did for SimplePush, etc.) but the data bit is
the biggest obstacle.
i see that PushAPI is enabled in FF42, and i've successfully gotten
notifications with a test i did, what kind of server are you using then?
i noticed that in the"dom.push.serverURL" is wss://
push.services.mozilla.com/
As always, thanks so much for the continuing support.
On 8/31/2015 12:45 PM, Idel Pivnitskiy wrote:
+1
Best regards,
Idel Pivnitskiy
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On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Daniel Bevenius <
daniel.bevenius(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
>
> måndag 31 augusti 2015 skrev Sebastien Blanc < <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com>
> scm.blanc(a)gmail.com>:
>
>> +1
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Luke Holmquist <lholmqui(a)redhat.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> so now that WebPush is going to take over SimplePush, i'm thinking of
>>> closing the related JIRA's that we have open for simple push in the
AG-JS
>>> instance.
>>>
>>>
>>> Not that we've really done any work on it lately, but it would be good
>>> to clean this up a little.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Luke
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev
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4:03 p.m.
On 9/1/2015 12:02 PM, Luke Holmquist wrote:
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 6:59 PM, JR Conlin <jrconlin(a)gmail.com
<mailto:jrconlin@gmail.com>> wrote:
+4
(sorry, just had some fun with a bounding issue, and felt like
sharing.)
Just to let y'all know, we're going to be running SimplePush for a
while, mostly for older devices. One thing we discovered is that
some clients may have a LARGE number of old channels registered
and sending them as part of the Hello is a waste. (Our server
doesn't pay attention to them.) Newer clients may have an interim
fix that blanks the clientIDs:[] record.) Aside from that, we're
definitely not going to be pushing any changes that should impact
your library.
We've not stood up a production WebPush server, partly because the
data encryption portion of the standard is still under discussion.
For what it's worth, there are also a few other discussion points
that have yet to be finalized (e.g. should developers register
with servers, should clients specify channels like they did for
SimplePush, etc.) but the data bit is the biggest obstacle.
i see that PushAPI is enabled in FF42, and i've successfully gotten
notifications with a test i did, what kind of server are you using
then? i noticed that in the"dom.push.serverURL" is
wss://push.services.mozilla.com/ <http://push.services.mozilla.com/>
The server we're using is still "simplepush". There's some tweaks
we've
done in prep for WebPush, but it's not running as an HTTP2 service.
For the more python inclined, here's a pointer to the source:
https://github.com/mozilla-services/autopush/
(Some of you may note that this is python and not Go. Turns out that
python currently has more optimal libraries for doing this at larger
scale. As you happy Java folk know, sometimes good things come well aged.)
Eventually WebPush will come out with mandatory data encryption and
HTTP2 connections. Google's WebPush kinda/sorta does that now, except
they bury the client side into GCM and expose a portion of the server,
but it serves as an example of what's to come. Microsoft has also noted
that they'll be supporting WebPush eventually, although they've
expressed different concerns they'd like to have addressed. Apple, is
Apple, and if they release their version, we hope that it follows the spec.
As always, thanks so much for the continuing support.
On 8/31/2015 12:45 PM, Idel Pivnitskiy wrote:
> +1
>
> Best regards,
> Idel Pivnitskiy
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>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Daniel Bevenius
> <daniel.bevenius(a)gmail.com <mailto:daniel.bevenius@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>
> +1
>
>
> måndag 31 augusti 2015 skrev Sebastien Blanc
> <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com <mailto:scm.blanc@gmail.com>>:
>
> +1
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Luke Holmquist
> <lholmqui(a)redhat.com <mailto:lholmqui@redhat.com>> wrote:
>
> so now that WebPush is going to take over SimplePush,
> i'm thinking of closing the related JIRA's that we
> have open for simple push in the AG-JS instance.
>
>
> Not that we've really done any work on it lately,
> but it would be good to clean this up a little.
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> -Luke
>
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5:40 p.m.
Do you have any reference about the encryption discussion. I'd be interested to read
more about it.
—
abstractj
PGP: 0x84DC9914
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 7:59 PM, JR Conlin <jrconlin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
+4
(sorry, just had some fun with a bounding issue, and felt like sharing.)
Just to let y'all know, we're going to be running SimplePush for a
while, mostly for older devices. One thing we discovered is that some
clients may have a LARGE number of old channels registered and sending
them as part of the Hello is a waste. (Our server doesn't pay attention
to them.) Newer clients may have an interim fix that blanks the
clientIDs:[] record.) Aside from that, we're definitely not going to be
pushing any changes that should impact your library.
We've not stood up a production WebPush server, partly because the data
encryption portion of the standard is still under discussion. For what
it's worth, there are also a few other discussion points that have yet
to be finalized (e.g. should developers register with servers, should
clients specify channels like they did for SimplePush, etc.) but the
data bit is the biggest obstacle.
As always, thanks so much for the continuing support.
On 8/31/2015 12:45 PM, Idel Pivnitskiy wrote:
> +1
>
> Best regards,
> Idel Pivnitskiy
> --
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>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Daniel Bevenius
> <daniel.bevenius(a)gmail.com <mailto:daniel.bevenius@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> +1
>
>
> måndag 31 augusti 2015 skrev Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com
> <mailto:scm.blanc@gmail.com>>:
>
> +1
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Luke Holmquist
> <lholmqui(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> so now that WebPush is going to take over SimplePush, i'm
> thinking of closing the related JIRA's that we have open
> for simple push in the AG-JS instance.
>
>
> Not that we've really done any work on it lately, but it
> would be good to clean this up a little.
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> -Luke
>
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Right now, the best source is the WebPush IETF discussion.
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search/?email_list=webpush&q=encryp...
In short, folks are leaning toward AES curve25519, because it's greatly
improved security over P-256, and there are enough libraries in the wild
that it should be reasonable for App developers to use one.
Required encryption is tricky for any number of reasons. In this case,
the goal is to secure your message from the intermediary carriers.
Notably, it's a lot easier for carriers to avoid adding pen registries
or turning over data if it's just a pile of indecipherable crap. The
message is decrypted by the handling client which also generates the
public key the remote server uses and is passed as part of the remote
registration. The theory is also that if you're running on a compromised
client, you're kinda dorked. If you're THAT paranoid (and not saying
it's a bad), it's just up to you do do your own encryption as well.
On 9/1/2015 3:40 PM, Bruno Oliveira wrote:
Do you have any reference about the encryption discussion. I'd
be
interested to read more about it.
— abstractj PGP: 0x84DC9914
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 7:59 PM, JR Conlin <jrconlin(a)gmail.com
<mailto:jrconlin@gmail.com>> wrote:
+4
(sorry, just had some fun with a bounding issue, and felt like
sharing.)
Just to let y'all know, we're going to be running SimplePush for a
while, mostly for older devices. One thing we discovered is that
some clients may have a LARGE number of old channels registered
and sending them as part of the Hello is a waste. (Our server
doesn't pay attention to them.) Newer clients may have an interim
fix that blanks the clientIDs:[] record.) Aside from that, we're
definitely not going to be pushing any changes that should impact
your library.
We've not stood up a production WebPush server, partly because the
data encryption portion of the standard is still under discussion.
For what it's worth, there are also a few other discussion points
that have yet to be finalized (e.g. should developers register
with servers, should clients specify channels like they did for
SimplePush, etc.) but the data bit is the biggest obstacle.
As always, thanks so much for the continuing support.
On 8/31/2015 12:45 PM, Idel Pivnitskiy wrote:
> +1
>
> Best regards,
> Idel Pivnitskiy
> --
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> GitHub: @idelpivnitskiy <https://github.com/idelpivnitskiy>
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Daniel Bevenius
> <daniel.bevenius(a)gmail.com <mailto:daniel.bevenius@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>
> +1
>
>
> måndag 31 augusti 2015 skrev Sebastien Blanc
> <scm.blanc(a)gmail.com>:
>
> +1
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Luke Holmquist
> <lholmqui(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> so now that WebPush is going to take over SimplePush,
> i'm thinking of closing the related JIRA's that we
> have open for simple push in the AG-JS instance.
>
>
> Not that we've really done any work on it lately,
> but it would be good to clean this up a little.
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> -Luke
>
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