Re: [hibernate-dev] [ORM] Reducing startup log verbosity

On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 14:00, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: > > Guillaume - I added a general start-a-discussion comment to the PR. Hopefully anyone with an opinion on that can chime in there. Beyond that, +1 > > > Sanne - ok, I see. You are not expecting users to have to deal with wrapping/scrolling because you limit the presented information to an arbitrary set of values. That's certainly an option. My only caution there is that this is an arbitrary list of values-of-interest. > > We all agree version is important. It is beyond that that we start to have different preferences. I think everything beyond that is DEBUG-level info. For any additional values, I worry about the arbitrary nature of what we present and don't in this message. I mean to me, the same argument that leads to "caching enabled/disabled" being important enough to list also dictates that CDI integration is important enough too. Same for BytecodeProvider, ConnectionProvider, ... Its this question of where we draw the line that concerns me. And if we are drawing an arbitrary line, why are we drawing that line at all? Yeah it's arbitrary. When I proposed it I thought with some luck we might have a quick consensus; if not let's just stick to the version. > I'll eagerly await your discussion about enabling caching by default ;) Let's face that in front of some great food in Rome :)