Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

I'm just on their website, e.g. https://gitter.im/debezium/dev. There's an icon with three sliders in the upper right corner, next to my own profile picture. "Notifications" let me choose when I'd like to have a sound, e.g. never, just for direction mentions or for general mentions in a room. Am Mo., 12. Nov. 2018 um 11:28 Uhr schrieb Guillaume Smet <guillaume.smet(a)gmail.com&gt;: > > Are you using the webapp? > > Because I don't see any preference to enable sound and there is no sound at all when I get a notification. > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 11:21 AM Gunnar Morling <gunnar(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: >> >> Have you tried "Room Settings" -> "Notifications"? We're on Gitter for >> Debezium, too, and in fact the notifications were too noisy for me, so >> I turned them off :) >> >> --Gunnar >> >> Am Mo., 12. Nov. 2018 um 10:59 Uhr schrieb Guillaume Smet >> <guillaume.smet(a)gmail.com&gt;: >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > So, one thing I find particularly annoying with Gitter now that we are >> > trying to use it for real interactions is the lack of notification sounds >> > in the webapp. When you're focused on your work, it's really easy to miss >> > the visual ones and having a sound really helped on HipChat. >> > >> > There is an open issue here: >> > https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitter/webapp/issues/735 . >> > >> > AFAICS in the commit log, there's one person working on Gitter and it's not >> > making tremendous progress. >> > >> > (Yeah, I know, it's Open Source, I can contribute...) >> > >> > -- >> > Guillaume >> > >> > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 3:47 PM Yoann Rodiere <yoann(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: >> > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > TL;DR: I created the Gitter rooms. Let's all go there for a few days, at >> > > least to try it? >> > > >> > > *Connecting* >> > > >> > > Obviously you can just connect to https://gitter.im/ and use the browser. >> > > You can sign in with your Github, Gitlab or Twitter account. >> > > >> > > There are also desktop/mobile applications. https://gitter.im/apps >> > > They only provide .deb packages, though, and I wasn't able to convert them >> > > easily using alien (I didn't try very hard). There is a snap out there, but >> > > it's an old version that isn't allow to use the Gitter APIs anymore. >> > > >> > > If you prefer to use IRC, they apparently provide a bridge. I don't know >> > > what it's worth, but you can always give it a try: see >> > > https://irc.gitter.im/ . >> > > >> > > *What's next?* >> > > >> > > Let's try to use it for a few days, see if everyone is comfortable with it? >> > > Let's see if there isn't any blocker for anyone, and if the news from other >> > > projects (such as WildFly moving to Slack) don't make use change our minds. >> > > >> > > Then if everyone is okay with it, we can finalize everything: >> > > >> > > - Invite external people to our rooms (I didn't invite anyone except our >> > > own team) >> > > - Advertise Gitter as our main chat platform: >> > > - On our websites >> > > - On IRC (we should at least mention it in the "message of the day") >> > > - On the hibernate-announce mailing list >> > > - In the REAME file of our projects through a badge: []( >> > > https://gitter.im/hibernate/hibernate-room-id >> > > ?utm_source=badge&utm_medium=badge&utm_campaign=pr-badge) >> > > - Close the HipChat rooms somehow. >> > > >> > > *Available rooms* >> > > >> > > For each of our main projects, I created one room bound to the GitHub >> > > repository for users, and *one *-dev room for our own use*. >> > > I also created rooms based on what I could see in HipChat (branding, ...). >> > > >> > > You can find a list of all rooms here: https://gitter.im/hibernate/home >> > > >> > > I already added people according to which room they were member of in >> > > HipChat, but I may have missed some. Please check which room you are >> > > subscribed to. >> > > >> > > *Settings* >> > > >> > > You can configure how often you want to be notified for each room: go to >> > > the room, click on the "settings" button next to your avatar on the top >> > > right, then "Notifications". >> > > In this same popup, you have the option of setting general defaults. >> > > >> > > Also, a dark theme is available: click on your avatar on the top right, >> > > then "Toggle Dark Theme". >> > > >> > > That's pretty much it. >> > > >> > > *Configuring your rooms* >> > > >> > > I configured the main rooms to receive Github notifications on the >> > > "activity tab" to the right, as well as Jenkins notifications for the >> > > "master" and "PR" job (when I found it). Feel free to add more integration >> > > if you want to. >> > > >> > > How to add a Jenkins integration: >> > > >> > > - If your room doesn't have a Jenkins integration yet (most have): >> > > - Go to the room on Gitter >> > > - Click on the "settings" button next to your avatar on the top >> > > right, then "Integrations". >> > > - Select "Jenkins" >> > > - Select the events you want to be notified of >> > > - Copy the webhook URL near the bottom >> > > - Create new credentials on Jenkins: >> > > >> > > http://ci.hibernate.org/credentials/store/system/domain/_/newCredentials >> > > - In the "Kind" field, select "Secret text" >> > > - Leave the "Scope" to "Global" >> > > - In the "Secret" field, paste the webhook URL >> > > - In the "ID" field, put "gitter-webhook-url-<ID of your room>" >> > > - In the "description" field, put "Gitter webhook URL for the <ID >> > > of your room> room" >> > > - Click "OK" >> > > - For each Jenkins job: >> > > - On the job page in Jenkins, click "Configure" >> > > - Select the "Job Notifications" tab near the top >> > > - Click "Add endpoint" >> > > - Leave the format to "JSON" and the protocol to "HTTP" >> > > - Set "URL Source" to "Credentials Store" >> > > - In the "URL" box, select the entry corresponding to your room, >> > > which should normally appear as "Gitter webhook URL for the <ID of >> > > your room> room" >> > > - Click "Save" >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Hibernate NoORM Team >> > > yoann(a)hibernate.org >> > > >> > > >> > > On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 11:40, Yoann Rodiere <yoann(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: >> > > >> > > > I think all day-to-day users of our chat voted. Here are the results: >> > > > >> > > > IRC: 4 Yes, 5 "if need be", 6 no. >> > > > Slack: 5 Yes, 3 "if need be", 7 no >> > > > Zulip: 5 Yes, 3 "if need be", 7 no >> > > > Gitter: 10 Yes, 1 "if need be", 4 no >> > > > >> > > > It seems Gitter won. That's the only option with more "Yes" than "No"... >> > > > It's got the most "Yes" (even counting "if need be"), and perhaps more >> > > > importantly it's got the least amount of "no". >> > > > >> > > > To those who voted no: if you have specific concerns about Gitter, could >> > > > you please mention them here? Maybe we can find solutions to some of the >> > > > problems. >> > > > >> > > > I'll look into moving the Hibernate Search chat to Gitter and will report >> > > > back on this thread. >> > > > >> > > > Yoann Rodière >> > > > Hibernate NoORM Team >> > > > yoann(a)hibernate.org >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 at 08:25, Yoann Rodiere <yoann(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> Not everyone voted, far from it; we're missing votes from Gail, >> > > >> Guillaume, Fabio, Chris, Davide, Emmanuel, Koen. So no, no consensus >> > > yet. >> > > >> >> > > >> I sent an email to them off-list, perhaps they didn't see this thread. >> > > >> >> > > >> Provisional results are as follows: >> > > >> >> > > >> IRC: 2 Yes, 3 "if need be", 3 no >> > > >> Slack: 2 Yes, 2 "if need be", 4 no >> > > >> Zulip: 2 Yes, 3 "if need be", 3 no >> > > >> Gitter: 6 Yes, 0 "if need be", 2 no >> > > >> >> > > >> So Gitter seems on the verge of winning, but apparently some people are >> > > >> categorically against it, so I'd say we'll have to give them a chance to >> > > >> explain why. I'll wait for everyone to answer, though, since they could >> > > >> completely change the results. >> > > >> >> > > >> Yoann Rodière >> > > >> Hibernate NoORM Team >> > > >> yoann(a)hibernate.org >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 13:35, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org > >> > > wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >>> Any consensus on this yet? >> > > >>> >> > > >>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 5:21 AM Sanne Grinovero < sanne(a)hibernate.org&gt; >> > > >>> wrote: >> > > >>> >> > > >>>> Thanks for starting this! >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> The choice of IRC is a bit special on the list as we never intended it >> > > >>>> to be killed: it has been historically important and we should >> > > >>>> maintain some level of reachability on it. So voting for the "IRC" >> > > >>>> choice just means a preference to not use anything else on top of it, >> > > >>>> while alternatively we'' be using X on top of IRC, albeit with a >> > > >>>> preference to use X for team conversations. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Also good to remind: please try to be on IRC as well occasionally as >> > > >>>> many in the OSS community we integrate with will reach out there. >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> Thanks, >> > > >>>> Sanne >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 09:46, Yoann Rodiere < yoann(a)hibernate.org&gt; >> > > >>>> wrote: >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > Hi, >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > TL;DR: please vote here if you don't want to end up having to use a >> > > >>>> chat >> > > >>>> > tool you don't like: https://doodle.com/poll/h6scc9bsh6a4ymre >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > HipChat Cloud will stop working on February 15th, 2019 [1]. We need >> > > to >> > > >>>> > choose an alternative before we have our back against the wall, so >> > > >>>> I'll try >> > > >>>> > to resurrect the conversation. >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > As a reminder, Stride is no longer an option: Atlassian cancelled >> > > the >> > > >>>> > project, and encourages users to migrate to Slack. >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > The discussed options so far were: >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > - *Moving back to IRC*. Aye: ?; nay: ? >> > > >>>> > Pros: simple as hell. >> > > >>>> > Cons: basic as hell; we won't keep the chat history. >> > > >>>> > - *Migrating to Slack* [6], as suggested by Atlassian [2]. Aye: >> > > >>>> > Christian B; Nay: ? >> > > >>>> > Pros: we will keep the chat history (I think). >> > > >>>> > Cons: not open-source; desktop client consumes a lot of >> > > resources. >> > > >>>> > - *Migrating to Zulip* [3]. Aye: Emmanuel, Yoann. Nay: Guillaume >> > > >>>> (kind >> > > >>>> > of). >> > > >>>> > Pros: Advanced conversation management thanks to the "topics" >> > > >>>> feature. >> > > >>>> > Cons: Complex to use because of the "topics" feature; we won't >> > > >>>> keep the >> > > >>>> > chat history (1). >> > > >>>> > - *Migrating to Gitter* [5] (we'll create different rooms, >> > > >>>> probably). >> > > >>>> > Aye: ?, Nay: ? >> > > >>>> > Pros: Users seem to actually go there, so we could have our "live >> > > >>>> > support" rooms next to our "internal discussion" rooms. >> > > >>>> > Cons: not open-source; we won't keep the chat history (1). >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > I created a poll based on the discussion we had on the thread >> > > >>>> > "[hibernate-dev] Stride". I think everyone had the time to suggest >> > > >>>> another >> > > >>>> > option. >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > Please vote here and now, or remain silent forever ;): >> > > >>>> > https://doodle.com/poll/h6scc9bsh6a4ymre >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > I'd suggest the following rules: if there's a single clear winner (a >> > > >>>> > platform that everyone would be happy with), we'll pick that one. If >> > > >>>> there >> > > >>>> > are multiple clear winners, whoever does the migration work will >> > > pick >> > > >>>> > what's easier to set up (taking into account the various >> > > >>>> integrations). >> > > >>>> > Otherwise, back to discussing it on this thread... >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > (1) There seems to be some work in progress on a migration tool from >> > > >>>> > HipChat to Zulip, but it doesn't seem to be ready yet [4] >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > [1] >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> >> > > https://www.atlassian.com/partnerships/slack/faq#faq-da2b66a1-53d3-4c4e-a... >> > > >>>> > [2] https://www.atlassian.com/partnerships/slack/migration >> > > >>>> > [3] https://hibernate.zulipchat.com/ >> > > >>>> > [4] https://github.com/zulip/zulip/issues/10647 >> > > >>>> > [5] https://gitter.im/hibernate/hibernate-orm >> > > >>>> > [6] https://slackdemo.com/ >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> > Yoann Rodière >> > > >>>> > Hibernate NoORM Team >> > > >>>> > yoann(a)hibernate.org >> > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >> > > >>>> > hibernate-dev mailing list >> > > >>>> > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> > > >>>> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ >> > > >>>> hibernate-dev mailing list >> > > >>>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> > > >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > hibernate-dev mailing list >> > > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >> > _______________________________________________ >> > hibernate-dev mailing list >> > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev