I've re-run the report to see what is still outstanding. Here's the link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZjdVuNzYPjjmvVd7mDLw9zwy9c0By_FP0oj8D... I'll share to the same people as the last report. Regards, Gail _______________________________________________ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev

I basically re-ran the same report on the newer snapshots. Incompatibilities listed in the old report that were resolved do not appear in the new report. I also categorized the incompatibilities as discussed in comments in the second report (e.g., Failures Mitigated using Compatibility Transformer). I un-crossed-out the issues that were not resolved yet (e.g., by HHH-12424 <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-1... ). I think the only unresolved comment was the one about JPA_METAMODEL_POPULATION, so I responded to it in the new report. On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: > Are these in addition to the original documentation? How do we correlate > things from this new doc that have already been addressed via the previous? > > On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 8:00 PM Gail Badner <gbadner(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > >> I've re-run the report to see what is still outstanding. >> >> Here's the link: >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZjdVuNzYPjjmvVd7mDLw9zwy9c0By_FP0oj8D... >> >> I'll share to the same people as the last report. >> >> Regards, >> Gail >> _______________________________________________ >> hibernate-dev mailing list >> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >> >

This report is focusing on binary compatibility. Which is great, but we should also pay attention to some other significant incompatibilities such as HHH-12454. How do you prefer to track those, if at all? David mentioned that we're only *required* to provide binary compatibility, but we could of course be a bit better than the minimum required - when doable. On 5 April 2018 at 21:48, Gail Badner <gbadner(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > I basically re-ran the same report on the newer snapshots. > Incompatibilities listed in the old report that were resolved do not appear > in the new report. > > I also categorized the incompatibilities as discussed in comments in the > second report (e.g., Failures Mitigated using Compatibility Transformer). > > I un-crossed-out the issues that were not resolved yet (e.g., by HHH-12424 > < https://www.google.com/url?q=https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-1... > > ). > > I think the only unresolved comment was the one about > JPA_METAMODEL_POPULATION, so I responded to it in the new report. > > On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: > >> Are these in addition to the original documentation? How do we correlate >> things from this new doc that have already been addressed via the previous? >> >> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 8:00 PM Gail Badner <gbadner(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> I've re-run the report to see what is still outstanding. >>> >>> Here's the link: >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZjdVuNzYPjjmvVd7mDLw9zwy9c0By >>> _FP0oj8DkHgiBE/edit?usp=sharing >>> >>> I'll share to the same people as the last report. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Gail >>> _______________________________________________ >>> hibernate-dev mailing list >>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev

On 5 April 2018 at 22:03, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: > I am assuming that mean you behavioral compatibility (they act the same)... > > Well that's the point of tests. The real problem is that often there are > not tests for a specific thing or someone changed the test expectations > during development Agreed on the point of tests. But I'm wondering if we want to track existing behavioural incompatibilities we know of in a similar document / as an appendix of it / labels on JIRA. Granted the binary compatibility is the first and most important milestone, but I'd hope we could work also on some of the other ones such as HHH-12454. I'm not suggesting that we solve them all - but it would be good to collect a list of known compatibility issues to review once more as when we decided on breaking some thing we weren't evaluating problems in the light of continuous delivery requirements. Thanks, Sanne > > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 3:56 PM Sanne Grinovero <sanne(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: >> >> This report is focusing on binary compatibility. Which is great, but >> we should also pay attention to some other significant >> incompatibilities such as HHH-12454. >> >> How do you prefer to track those, if at all? >> >> David mentioned that we're only *required* to provide binary >> compatibility, but we could of course be a bit better than the minimum >> required - when doable. >> >> >> On 5 April 2018 at 21:48, Gail Badner <gbadner(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> > I basically re-ran the same report on the newer snapshots. >> > Incompatibilities listed in the old report that were resolved do not >> > appear >> > in the new report. >> > >> > I also categorized the incompatibilities as discussed in comments in the >> > second report (e.g., Failures Mitigated using Compatibility >> > Transformer). >> > >> > I un-crossed-out the issues that were not resolved yet (e.g., by >> > HHH-12424 >> > >> > < https://www.google.com/url?q=https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-1... > >> > ). >> > >> > I think the only unresolved comment was the one about >> > JPA_METAMODEL_POPULATION, so I responded to it in the new report. >> > >> > On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org&gt; >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Are these in addition to the original documentation? How do we >> >> correlate >> >> things from this new doc that have already been addressed via the >> >> previous? >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 8:00 PM Gail Badner <gbadner(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >> >> >>> I've re-run the report to see what is still outstanding. >> >>> >> >>> Here's the link: >> >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZjdVuNzYPjjmvVd7mDLw9zwy9c0By >> >>> _FP0oj8DkHgiBE/edit?usp=sharing >> >>> >> >>> I'll share to the same people as the last report. >> >>> >> >>> Regards, >> >>> Gail >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> hibernate-dev mailing list >> >>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >> >>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > hibernate-dev mailing list >> > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev

On 6 April 2018 at 14:56, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: > That's called a migration guide :) Good point :) > > And I agree, we should capture behavioral differences there too. > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 8:51 AM Sanne Grinovero <sanne(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: >> >> On 5 April 2018 at 22:03, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: >> > I am assuming that mean you behavioral compatibility (they act the >> > same)... >> > >> > Well that's the point of tests. The real problem is that often there >> > are >> > not tests for a specific thing or someone changed the test expectations >> > during development >> >> Agreed on the point of tests. But I'm wondering if we want to track >> existing behavioural incompatibilities we know of in a similar >> document / as an appendix of it / labels on JIRA. >> >> Granted the binary compatibility is the first and most important >> milestone, but I'd hope we could work also on some of the other ones >> such as HHH-12454. >> >> I'm not suggesting that we solve them all - but it would be good to >> collect a list of known compatibility issues to review once more as >> when we decided on breaking some thing we weren't evaluating problems >> in the light of continuous delivery requirements. >> >> Thanks, >> Sanne >> >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 3:56 PM Sanne Grinovero <sanne(a)hibernate.org&gt; >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> This report is focusing on binary compatibility. Which is great, but >> >> we should also pay attention to some other significant >> >> incompatibilities such as HHH-12454. >> >> >> >> How do you prefer to track those, if at all? >> >> >> >> David mentioned that we're only *required* to provide binary >> >> compatibility, but we could of course be a bit better than the minimum >> >> required - when doable. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 5 April 2018 at 21:48, Gail Badner <gbadner(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >> > I basically re-ran the same report on the newer snapshots. >> >> > Incompatibilities listed in the old report that were resolved do not >> >> > appear >> >> > in the new report. >> >> > >> >> > I also categorized the incompatibilities as discussed in comments in >> >> > the >> >> > second report (e.g., Failures Mitigated using Compatibility >> >> > Transformer). >> >> > >> >> > I un-crossed-out the issues that were not resolved yet (e.g., by >> >> > HHH-12424 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > < https://www.google.com/url?q=https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-1... > >> >> > ). >> >> > >> >> > I think the only unresolved comment was the one about >> >> > JPA_METAMODEL_POPULATION, so I responded to it in the new report. >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Steve Ebersole < steve(a)hibernate.org&gt; >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Are these in addition to the original documentation? How do we >> >> >> correlate >> >> >> things from this new doc that have already been addressed via the >> >> >> previous? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 8:00 PM Gail Badner <gbadner(a)redhat.com&gt; >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> I've re-run the report to see what is still outstanding. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Here's the link: >> >> >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZjdVuNzYPjjmvVd7mDLw9zwy9c0By >> >> >>> _FP0oj8DkHgiBE/edit?usp=sharing >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I'll share to the same people as the last report. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Regards, >> >> >>> Gail >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> hibernate-dev mailing list >> >> >>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> >> >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > hibernate-dev mailing list >> >> > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> >> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev