HHH-11147 changed Property#isLazy as shown in [1]. The part that concerns me is: + // For a many-to-one, this is always false. Whether the + // association is EAGER, PROXY or NO-PROXY we want the fk + // selected + return false; I don't think this is correct when enhancement-as-proxy is disabled. Join#isLazy relies on Property#isLazy for the properties included in the Join. If Join#isLazy is returning the wrong value, then SingleTableEntityPersister#isSubclassTableLazy and JoinedSubclassEntityPersister#isSubclassTableLazy will return the wrong value. Steve, WDYT? Thanks, Gail [1] https://github.com/hibernate/hibernate-orm/commit/cc01f2561dbca95bd58048f...