Matt Raible has some interesting feedbacks on the migration. http://raibledesigns.com/rd/entry/upgrading_hibernate_to_3_4 There does not seem to be a readme file in the dist anymore. It probably would be nice to tell people to use the JBoss Maven repo and some words about the distro structure. The documentation on the website still is for Hibernate 3.2.2 (http://www.hibernate.org/5.html) http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/EJB-382 is pretty bad, we should release a 3.4.1 somewhat soon (as in before AS 5 GA). Not sure where his javassist to cglib migration problem come from, I could not even find the documentation he refers to so he was better than me :) Lost of people are bitten by the slf4j implementation drop issue: unless you drop an slf4j impl, you get nasty CNFE. I wonder if we could make that easier for users. -- Emmanuel Bernard http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Emmanuel | http://blog.emmanuelbernard.com | http://twitter.com/emmanuelbernard Hibernate Search in Action (http://is.gd/Dl1) _______________________________________________ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev

For the slf4j bit, I don't see how. They just need to add one of the slf4j jars as a dep. Certainly we should be define that that is needed, but sorry I just don't see what is so hard about doing that.

Emmanuel Bernard wrote: > Thinking out loud. Couldn't we check if the first SLF4J call raises > CNFE and wraps that in a meaningful Exception > HibernateException("You forgot to add a SLF4J implementation (like > slf4log4j) in your class path, go do slf4j.org blah blah"); If this is doable (sounds like it is), it would be much better user experience. -CB _______________________________________________ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev

Emmanuel Bernard wrote: > Lost of people are bitten by the slf4j implementation drop issue: unless > you drop an slf4j impl, you get nasty CNFE. I wonder if we could make > that easier for users. I had a chat with a former coworker last night who was starting with Hibernate and had downloaded 3.3. I was a bit surprised that we don't package/ship any of the SLF4J implementations. It's one thing to have to explicitly pick one, but it's another thing to have to go download something from a third party before Hibernate will even work (unless Log4J is unique in this respect...). Can this be changed? -CB _______________________________________________ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev