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> This complicates things for people, who will likely not know about this "special feature".
Then they should look in the docs, which I will be enhancing.
> They will also have to be aware of this when services get moved between environments, and update it accordingly.
Moving anything between environments is not, and should not be treated as, trivial. They +should+ be aware of all aspects and dependencies.
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David Ward [http://community.jboss.org/people/dward] replied to the discussion
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> Kevin Conner wrote:
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> > I am just not understanding that when a situation has been brought to the forefront that could literally freeze a server start, no one will own it and log a JIRA.
> We did own it and we created a way in which it could be handled. If the documentation is weak in this area, or if our quickstarts do not show it, then we can certainly address those issues.
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> Kev
The quickstarts do show it. However I will admit that the documentation is weak in this area. I will create a JIRA for it.
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Kevin Conner [http://community.jboss.org/people/Kevin.Conner%40jboss.com] replied to the discussion
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> I am just not understanding that when a situation has been brought to the forefront that could literally freeze a server start, no one will own it and log a JIRA.
We did own it and we created a way in which it could be handled. If the documentation is weak in this area, or if our quickstarts do not show it, then we can certainly address those issues.
Kev
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David Ward [http://community.jboss.org/people/dward] replied to the discussion
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Brad Davis wrote:
> David, read the full post.
I have read the full post.
> I have addressed why I dont think our clients should need to know about some special protocol for addressing web services.
The need for the internal:// scheme is because you need to be able to specify the MBean name of the target internal WS. You can't deduce that from an http URI.
> Additionally, I have discussed why I don't think we should assume everyone will use JBossWS.
Well, at the moment, we only support JBossWS inside SOA-P for our paying subscribers. CXF is only Tech Preview.
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> Kev has it exactly right. As I said up above, "If it's in the same +*VM*+, use internal://. If it's on another server, use http:/// http:// or https:/// https://. If you don't want to be dependent on the availability of the other server, use file:// or classpath://. What's the problem here?"
The problem is that you introduce a special protocol for the same server, which is overkill. This complicates things for people, who will likely not know about this "special feature". They will also have to be aware of this when services get moved between environments, and update it accordingly. All of this knowledge overhead to avoid a server *freeze*.
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Kevin Conner [http://community.jboss.org/people/Kevin.Conner%40jboss.com] replied to the discussion
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> all I am wanting is someone to say yes, this is a problem, and here is the JIRA number
Sorry, best we can do is what we have already done and said.
- it was a deliberate decision made after taking all your points into consideration, they are certainly not new.
- we did this *because* doing what you want is not currently possible in all circumstances.
Kev
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