Re: [rules-users] Flow persistence

We are using version 5.1.0.M1. We have long-running processes (flows). They are long-running because we have work item nodes that involve the user of our application to do something. We are in the development cycle of our product and everything is going well. I am trying to configure persistence and running into some issues. I am to the point where our basic unit tests appear to be running fine with persistence enabled both in the container (tomcat6) and in our unit testing environment (ServletUnit). We have unit tests that run the same test in multiple threads in parallel (the idea is to try to expose thread safety issues), and these tests always fail. At the end of this message, I have pasted a few of the different stack traces I have seen. I expect that I have done something silly in the configuration, and I could use some help in finding it. I am not sure if the problem is my configuration of JPA, Hibernate, the DataSource, or if it is an interaction between what Drools is expecting and the details of my configuration. Thanks, Rob Collins >From my spring configuration: <!-- Spring JtaTransactionManager --> <bean id="transactionManager" class="org.springframework.transaction.jta.JtaTransactionManager" depends-on="bitronixTransactionManager"> <property name="transactionManager" ref="bitronixTransactionManager" /> <property name="userTransaction" ref="bitronixTransactionManager" /> </bean> <!-- Bitronix Transaction Manager embedded configuration --> <bean id="btmConfig" class="bitronix.tm.TransactionManagerServices" factory-method="getConfiguration"> <property name="serverId" value="spring-btm" /> </bean> <!-- create Bitronix Transaction Manager transaction manager --> <bean id="bitronixTransactionManager" class="bitronix.tm.TransactionManagerServices" factory-method="getTransactionManager" depends-on="btmConfig" destroy-method="shutdown" /> <bean id="sessionDataSource" class="bitronix.tm.resource.jdbc.PoolingDataSource" init-method="init" destroy-method="close"> <property name="className" value="com.mysql.jdbc.jdbc2.optional.MysqlXADataSource" /> <property name="uniqueName" value="jdbc/processInstanceDS" /> <property name="maxPoolSize" value="8" /> <property name="allowLocalTransactions" value="true" /> <property name="driverProperties"> <props> <prop key="URL">${db.session.connection.url}</prop> <prop key="user">${db.session.username}</prop> <prop key="password">${db.session.password}</prop> </props> </property> </bean> My persistence.xml: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?> <persistence version="1.0" xsi:schemaLocation="http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/persistence http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/persistence/persistence_1_0.xsd http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/persistence/orm http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/persistence/orm_1_0.xsd" xmlns:orm="http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/persistence/orm" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns="http://java.sun.com/xml/ns/persistence"> <persistence-unit name="org.drools.persistence.jpa"> <provider>org.hibernate.ejb.HibernatePersistence</provider> <jta-data-source>jdbc/processInstanceDS</jta-data-source> <class>org.drools.persistence.session.SessionInfo</class> <class>org.drools.persistence.processinstance.ProcessInstanceInfo</class> <class>org.drools.persistence.processinstance.ProcessInstanceEventInfo</class> <class>org.drools.persistence.processinstance.WorkItemInfo</class> <class>org.drools.persistence.processinstance.variabletypes.VariableInstanceInfo</class> <class>org.drools.persistence.processinstance.variabletypes.JPAPersistedVariable</class> <properties> <property name="hibernate.max_fetch_depth" value="3" /> <property name="hibernate.hbm2ddl.auto" value="create-drop"/> <property name="hibernate.show_sql" value="true" /> <property name="hibernate.transaction.manager_lookup_class" value="org.hibernate.transaction.BTMTransactionManagerLookup" /> <property name="hibernate.jndi.class" value="bitronix.tm.jndi.BitronixInitialContextFactory" /> </properties> </persistence-unit> </persistence> java.lang.NullPointerException at org.drools.persistence.processinstance.JPAProcessInstanceManager.addProcessInstance(JPAProcessInstanceManager.java:33) at org.drools.process.instance.AbstractProcessInstanceFactory.createProcessInstance(AbstractProcessInstanceFactory.java:37) at org.drools.common.AbstractWorkingMemory.startProcess(AbstractWorkingMemory.java:1706) at org.drools.common.AbstractWorkingMemory.startProcess(AbstractWorkingMemory.java:1682) at org.drools.workflow.instance.node.SubProcessNodeInstance.internalTrigger(SubProcessNodeInstance.java:115) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.NodeInstanceImpl.trigger(NodeInstanceImpl.java:112) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.NodeInstanceImpl.triggerConnection(NodeInstanceImpl.java:148) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.NodeInstanceImpl.triggerCompleted(NodeInstanceImpl.java:135) at org.drools.workflow.instance.node.JoinInstance.triggerCompleted(JoinInstance.java:152) at org.drools.workflow.instance.node.JoinInstance.internalTrigger(JoinInstance.java:52) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.NodeInstanceImpl.trigger(NodeInstanceImpl.java:112) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.NodeInstanceImpl.triggerConnection(NodeInstanceImpl.java:148) at org.drools.workflow.instance.node.SplitInstance.internalTrigger(SplitInstance.java:74) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.NodeInstanceImpl.trigger(NodeInstanceImpl.java:112) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.NodeInstanceImpl.triggerConnection(NodeInstanceImpl.java:148) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.NodeInstanceImpl.triggerCompleted(NodeInstanceImpl.java:135) at org.drools.workflow.instance.node.StartNodeInstance.triggerCompleted(StartNodeInstance.java:49) at org.drools.workflow.instance.node.StartNodeInstance.internalTrigger(StartNodeInstance.java:41) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.NodeInstanceImpl.trigger(NodeInstanceImpl.java:112) at org.drools.ruleflow.instance.RuleFlowProcessInstance.internalStart(RuleFlowProcessInstance.java:16) at org.drools.process.instance.impl.ProcessInstanceImpl.start(ProcessInstanceImpl.java:185) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.WorkflowProcessInstanceImpl.start(WorkflowProcessInstanceImpl.java:230) at org.drools.common.AbstractWorkingMemory.startProcess(AbstractWorkingMemory.java:1689) at org.drools.impl.StatefulKnowledgeSessionImpl.startProcess(StatefulKnowledgeSessionImpl.java:289) at org.drools.command.runtime.process.StartProcessCommand.execute(StartProcessCommand.java:52) at org.drools.command.runtime.process.StartProcessCommand.execute(StartProcessCommand.java:14) at org.drools.persistence.session.SingleSessionCommandService.execute(SingleSessionCommandService.java:254) at org.drools.command.impl.CommandBasedStatefulKnowledgeSession.startProcess(CommandBasedStatefulKnowledgeSession.java:163) at com.patientsafesolutions.application.controllers.DroolsWorkflowController.startWorkflowProcess(DroolsWorkflowController.java:310) at com.patientsafesolutions.application.controllers.DroolsWorkflowController.drools(DroolsWorkflowController.java:85) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597) at org.springframework.web.bind.annotation.support.HandlerMethodInvoker.doInvokeMethod(HandlerMethodInvoker.java:710) at org.springframework.web.bind.annotation.support.HandlerMethodInvoker.invokeHandlerMethod(HandlerMethodInvoker.java:167) at org.springframework.web.servlet.mvc.annotation.AnnotationMethodHandlerAdapter.invokeHandlerMethod(AnnotationMethodHandlerAdapter.java:414) at org.springframework.web.servlet.mvc.annotation.AnnotationMethodHandlerAdapter.handle(AnnotationMethodHandlerAdapter.java:402) at org.springframework.web.servlet.DispatcherServlet.doDispatch(DispatcherServlet.java:771) at org.springframework.web.servlet.DispatcherServlet.doService(DispatcherServlet.java:716) at org.springframework.web.servlet.FrameworkServlet.processRequest(FrameworkServlet.java:647) at org.springframework.web.servlet.FrameworkServlet.doPost(FrameworkServlet.java:563) at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:760) at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:853) at com.meterware.servletunit.InvocationContextImpl.service(InvocationContextImpl.java:76) at com.meterware.servletunit.ServletUnitClient.newResponse(ServletUnitClient.java:126) at com.meterware.httpunit.WebClient.createResponse(WebClient.java:667) at com.meterware.httpunit.WebWindow.getResource(WebWindow.java:220) at com.meterware.httpunit.WebWindow.getSubframeResponse(WebWindow.java:181) at com.meterware.httpunit.WebWindow.getResponse(WebWindow.java:158) at com.meterware.httpunit.WebClient.getResponse(WebClient.java:122) at com.patientsafesolutions.test.http.Request.submit(Request.java:115) at com.patientsafesolutions.test.http.Request.post(Request.java:20) at com.patientsafesolutions.api.httptest.LogicalViewHttpTest.navigateToHome(LogicalViewHttpTest.java:57) at com.patientsafesolutions.api.httptest.LogicalViewHttpTest.navigateToPatient(LogicalViewHttpTest.java:100) at com.patientsafesolutions.api.httptest.HomeTests.homeLogicalView(HomeTests.java:14) at com.patientsafesolutions.api.httptest.HomeTests$1.run(HomeTests.java:23) at com.patientsafesolutions.test.http.HttpTest$ThreadWithThrowable$1.run(HttpTest.java:241) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:637) org.hibernate.exception.GenericJDBCException: Cannot release connection at org.hibernate.exception.SQLStateConverter.handledNonSpecificException(SQLStateConverter.java:103) at org.hibernate.exception.SQLStateConverter.convert(SQLStateConverter.java:91) at org.hibernate.exception.JDBCExceptionHelper.convert(JDBCExceptionHelper.java:43) at org.hibernate.exception.JDBCExceptionHelper.convert(JDBCExceptionHelper.java:29) at org.hibernate.jdbc.ConnectionManager.closeConnection(ConnectionManager.java:455) at org.hibernate.jdbc.ConnectionManager.aggressiveRelease(ConnectionManager.java:406) at org.hibernate.jdbc.ConnectionManager.afterTransaction(ConnectionManager.java:298) at org.hibernate.jdbc.JDBCContext.afterTransactionCompletion(JDBCContext.java:225) at org.hibernate.transaction.CacheSynchronization.afterCompletion(CacheSynchronization.java:85) at bitronix.tm.BitronixTransaction.fireAfterCompletionEvent(BitronixTransaction.java:416) at bitronix.tm.BitronixTransaction.commit(BitronixTransaction.java:195) at bitronix.tm.BitronixTransactionManager.commit(BitronixTransactionManager.java:95) at org.drools.persistence.session.SingleSessionCommandService.execute(SingleSessionCommandService.java:258) at org.drools.command.impl.CommandBasedStatefulKnowledgeSession.startProcess(CommandBasedStatefulKnowledgeSession.java:163) at com.patientsafesolutions.application.controllers.DroolsWorkflowController.startWorkflowProcess(DroolsWorkflowController.java:310) at com.patientsafesolutions.application.controllers.DroolsWorkflowController.drools(DroolsWorkflowController.java:85) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597) at org.springframework.web.bind.annotation.support.HandlerMethodInvoker.doInvokeMethod(HandlerMethodInvoker.java:710) at org.springframework.web.bind.annotation.support.HandlerMethodInvoker.invokeHandlerMethod(HandlerMethodInvoker.java:167) at org.springframework.web.servlet.mvc.annotation.AnnotationMethodHandlerAdapter.invokeHandlerMethod(AnnotationMethodHandlerAdapter.java:414) at org.springframework.web.servlet.mvc.annotation.AnnotationMethodHandlerAdapter.handle(AnnotationMethodHandlerAdapter.java:402) at org.springframework.web.servlet.DispatcherServlet.doDispatch(DispatcherServlet.java:771) at org.springframework.web.servlet.DispatcherServlet.doService(DispatcherServlet.java:716) at org.springframework.web.servlet.FrameworkServlet.processRequest(FrameworkServlet.java:647) at org.springframework.web.servlet.FrameworkServlet.doPost(FrameworkServlet.java:563) at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:760) at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:853) at com.meterware.servletunit.InvocationContextImpl.service(InvocationContextImpl.java:76) at com.meterware.servletunit.ServletUnitClient.newResponse(ServletUnitClient.java:126) at com.meterware.httpunit.WebClient.createResponse(WebClient.java:667) at com.meterware.httpunit.WebWindow.getResource(WebWindow.java:220) at com.meterware.httpunit.WebWindow.getSubframeResponse(WebWindow.java:181) at com.meterware.httpunit.WebWindow.getResponse(WebWindow.java:158) at com.meterware.httpunit.WebClient.getResponse(WebClient.java:122) at com.patientsafesolutions.test.http.Request.submit(Request.java:115) at com.patientsafesolutions.test.http.Request.post(Request.java:20) at com.patientsafesolutions.api.httptest.LogicalViewHttpTest.navigateToHome(LogicalViewHttpTest.java:57) at com.patientsafesolutions.api.httptest.LogicalViewHttpTest.navigateToPatient(LogicalViewHttpTest.java:100) at com.patientsafesolutions.api.httptest.HomeTests.homeLogicalView(HomeTests.java:14) at com.patientsafesolutions.api.httptest.HomeTests$1.run(HomeTests.java:23) at com.patientsafesolutions.test.http.HttpTest$ThreadWithThrowable$1.run(HttpTest.java:241) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:637) Caused by: java.sql.SQLException: error requeueing a JdbcPooledConnection from datasource jdbc/processInstanceDS in state ACCESSIBLE wrapping com.mysql.jdbc.jdbc2.optional.MysqlXAConnection@4128dca6 at bitronix.tm.resource.jdbc.JdbcPooledConnection.release(JdbcPooledConnection.java:148) at bitronix.tm.resource.jdbc.JdbcConnectionHandle.close(JdbcConnectionHandle.java:77) at org.hibernate.connection.DatasourceConnectionProvider.closeConnection(DatasourceConnectionProvider.java:74) at org.hibernate.jdbc.ConnectionManager.closeConnection(ConnectionManager.java:451) ... 40 more Caused by: bitronix.tm.internal.BitronixSystemException: cannot close a resource when its XAResource is taking part in an unfinished global transaction at bitronix.tm.resource.common.TransactionContextHelper.requeue(TransactionContextHelper.java:117) at bitronix.tm.resource.jdbc.JdbcPooledConnection.release(JdbcPooledConnection.java:146) ... 43 more java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Unknown node instance type: org.drools.workflow.instance.node.ActionNodeInstance@2b7194a4 at org.drools.marshalling.impl.AbstractProcessInstanceMarshaller.writeNodeInstanceContent(AbstractProcessInstanceMarshaller.java:243) at org.drools.marshalling.impl.AbstractProcessInstanceMarshaller.writeNodeInstance(AbstractProcessInstanceMarshaller.java:117) at org.drools.marshalling.impl.AbstractProcessInstanceMarshaller.writeProcessInstance(AbstractProcessInstanceMarshaller.java:106) at org.drools.persistence.processinstance.ProcessInstanceInfo.update(ProcessInstanceInfo.java:237) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597) at org.hibernate.ejb.event.BeanCallback.invoke(BeanCallback.java:23) at org.hibernate.ejb.event.EntityCallbackHandler.callback(EntityCallbackHandler.java:80) at org.hibernate.ejb.event.EntityCallbackHandler.preUpdate(EntityCallbackHandler.java:65) at org.hibernate.ejb.event.EJB3FlushEntityEventListener.invokeInterceptor(EJB3FlushEntityEventListener.java:41) at org.hibernate.event.def.DefaultFlushEntityEventListener.handleInterception(DefaultFlushEntityEventListener.java:308) at org.hibernate.event.def.DefaultFlushEntityEventListener.scheduleUpdate(DefaultFlushEntityEventListener.java:248) at org.hibernate.event.def.DefaultFlushEntityEventListener.onFlushEntity(DefaultFlushEntityEventListener.java:128) at org.hibernate.event.def.AbstractFlushingEventListener.flushEntities(AbstractFlushingEventListener.java:196) at org.hibernate.event.def.AbstractFlushingEventListener.flushEverythingToExecutions(AbstractFlushingEventListener.java:76) at org.hibernate.event.def.DefaultAutoFlushEventListener.onAutoFlush(DefaultAutoFlushEventListener.java:35) at org.hibernate.impl.SessionImpl.autoFlushIfRequired(SessionImpl.java:969) at org.hibernate.impl.SessionImpl.list(SessionImpl.java:1114) at org.hibernate.impl.QueryImpl.list(QueryImpl.java:79) at org.hibernate.ejb.QueryImpl.getResultList(QueryImpl.java:67) at org.drools.persistence.processinstance.JPASignalManager.getProcessInstancesForEvent(JPASignalManager.java:53) at org.drools.persistence.processinstance.JPASignalManager.signalEvent(JPASignalManager.java:29) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.WorkflowProcessInstanceImpl.setState(WorkflowProcessInstanceImpl.java:191) at org.drools.workflow.instance.node.EndNodeInstance.internalTrigger(EndNodeInstance.java:56) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.NodeInstanceImpl.trigger(NodeInstanceImpl.java:112) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.NodeInstanceImpl.triggerConnection(NodeInstanceImpl.java:148) at org.drools.workflow.instance.node.SplitInstance.internalTrigger(SplitInstance.java:74) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.NodeInstanceImpl.trigger(NodeInstanceImpl.java:112) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.NodeInstanceImpl.triggerConnection(NodeInstanceImpl.java:148) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.NodeInstanceImpl.triggerCompleted(NodeInstanceImpl.java:135) at org.drools.workflow.instance.node.ActionNodeInstance.triggerCompleted(ActionNodeInstance.java:62) at org.drools.workflow.instance.node.ActionNodeInstance.internalTrigger(ActionNodeInstance.java:58) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.NodeInstanceImpl.trigger(NodeInstanceImpl.java:112) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.NodeInstanceImpl.triggerConnection(NodeInstanceImpl.java:148) at org.drools.workflow.instance.node.SplitInstance.internalTrigger(SplitInstance.java:74) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.NodeInstanceImpl.trigger(NodeInstanceImpl.java:112) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.NodeInstanceImpl.triggerConnection(NodeInstanceImpl.java:148) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.NodeInstanceImpl.triggerCompleted(NodeInstanceImpl.java:135) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.ExtendedNodeInstanceImpl.triggerCompleted(ExtendedNodeInstanceImpl.java:37) at org.drools.workflow.instance.node.StateBasedNodeInstance.triggerCompleted(StateBasedNodeInstance.java:101) at org.drools.workflow.instance.node.StateBasedNodeInstance.triggerCompleted(StateBasedNodeInstance.java:82) at org.drools.workflow.instance.node.WorkItemNodeInstance.triggerCompleted(WorkItemNodeInstance.java:192) at org.drools.workflow.instance.node.WorkItemNodeInstance.workItemCompleted(WorkItemNodeInstance.java:246) at org.drools.workflow.instance.node.WorkItemNodeInstance.signalEvent(WorkItemNodeInstance.java:222) at org.drools.workflow.instance.impl.WorkflowProcessInstanceImpl.signalEvent(WorkflowProcessInstanceImpl.java:258) at org.drools.persistence.processinstance.JPAWorkItemManager.completeWorkItem(JPAWorkItemManager.java:96) at org.drools.command.runtime.process.CompleteWorkItemCommand.execute(CompleteWorkItemCommand.java:46) at org.drools.command.runtime.process.CompleteWorkItemCommand.execute(CompleteWorkItemCommand.java:12) at org.drools.persistence.session.SingleSessionCommandService.execute(SingleSessionCommandService.java:254) at org.drools.command.impl.CommandBasedStatefulKnowledgeSession$1.completeWorkItem(CommandBasedStatefulKnowledgeSession.java:118) at com.patientsafesolutions.application.controllers.DroolsWorkflowController.drools(DroolsWorkflowController.java:113) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597) at org.springframework.web.bind.annotation.support.HandlerMethodInvoker.doInvokeMethod(HandlerMethodInvoker.java:710) at org.springframework.web.bind.annotation.support.HandlerMethodInvoker.invokeHandlerMethod(HandlerMethodInvoker.java:167) at org.springframework.web.servlet.mvc.annotation.AnnotationMethodHandlerAdapter.invokeHandlerMethod(AnnotationMethodHandlerAdapter.java:414) at org.springframework.web.servlet.mvc.annotation.AnnotationMethodHandlerAdapter.handle(AnnotationMethodHandlerAdapter.java:402) at org.springframework.web.servlet.DispatcherServlet.doDispatch(DispatcherServlet.java:771) at org.springframework.web.servlet.DispatcherServlet.doService(DispatcherServlet.java:716) at org.springframework.web.servlet.FrameworkServlet.processRequest(FrameworkServlet.java:647) at org.springframework.web.servlet.FrameworkServlet.doPost(FrameworkServlet.java:563) at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:760) at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:853) at com.meterware.servletunit.InvocationContextImpl.service(InvocationContextImpl.java:76) at com.meterware.servletunit.ServletUnitClient.newResponse(ServletUnitClient.java:126) at com.meterware.httpunit.WebClient.createResponse(WebClient.java:667) at com.meterware.httpunit.WebWindow.getResource(WebWindow.java:220) at com.meterware.httpunit.WebWindow.getSubframeResponse(WebWindow.java:181) at com.meterware.httpunit.WebWindow.getResponse(WebWindow.java:158) at com.meterware.httpunit.WebClient.getResponse(WebClient.java:122) at com.patientsafesolutions.test.http.Request.submit(Request.java:115) at com.patientsafesolutions.test.http.Request.post(Request.java:25) at com.patientsafesolutions.api.httptest.LogicalViewHttpTest.loginUser(LogicalViewHttpTest.java:80) at com.patientsafesolutions.api.httptest.LogicalViewHttpTest.navigateToPatient(LogicalViewHttpTest.java:102) at com.patientsafesolutions.api.httptest.HomeTests.homeLogicalView(HomeTests.java:14) at com.patientsafesolutions.api.httptest.HomeTests$1.run(HomeTests.java:23) at com.patientsafesolutions.test.http.HttpTest$ThreadWithThrowable$1.run(HttpTest.java:241) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:637) _______________________________________________ rules-users mailing list rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users