3:27 p.m.
As I understand the Expert documentation, Sequential Mode has to be
turned on, even with a Stateless Knowledge Session to achieve all the
shortcuts and speed-ups.
What the documentation does not tell me (or I haven't seen it) is the
difference of a Stateless Knowledge Session with and without Sequential Mode.
Cheers
Wolfgang
3:42 p.m.
No doubt I'm missing the point but have you seen "3.3.7.1. Sequential Mode"
in Expert's documentation?
On 19 October 2010 21:27, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com> wrote:
As I understand the Expert documentation, Sequential Mode has to be
turned on, even with a Stateless Knowledge Session to achieve all the
shortcuts and speed-ups.
What the documentation does not tell me (or I haven't seen it) is the
difference of a Stateless Knowledge Session with and without Sequential
Mode.
Cheers
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4:34 p.m.
Indeed I have, and I've read it down to the last paragraph:
"Sequential mode can only be used with a Stateless Session and is off
by default. To turn it on, either call..." This tells me about a
StatelessKnowledgeSession WITH sequential mode.
So, what if I create a StatelessKnowledgeSession from a KnowledgeBase,
but do not turn sequential mode on?
Best
-W
2010/10/19 Michael Anstis <michael.anstis(a)gmail.com>:
No doubt I'm missing the point but have you seen "3.3.7.1.
Sequential Mode"
in Expert's documentation?
On 19 October 2010 21:27, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As I understand the Expert documentation, Sequential Mode has to be
> turned on, even with a Stateless Knowledge Session to achieve all the
> shortcuts and speed-ups.
>
> What the documentation does not tell me (or I haven't seen it) is the
> difference of a Stateless Knowledge Session with and without Sequential
> Mode.
>
> Cheers
> Wolfgang
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2:13 a.m.
I've not used it but from what I understand:
Sequential mode:
1. Insert facts
2. Create activations.
3. Fire all activations.
4. Done.
None Sequential (Standard) mode:
1. Insert facts.
2. Create initial activations.
3. Pop and fire highest salience activation.
4. Update activations (if update, retract etc was performed).
5. If there are more activations goto 3.
6. Done.
They key difference is that in the standard mode rule consequences can activate and
deactivate activations as they update the working memory.
Thomas
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Subject: Re: [rules-users] Stateless K-Session but no Sequential Mode
Indeed I have, and I've read it down to the last paragraph:
"Sequential mode can only be used with a Stateless Session and is off
by default. To turn it on, either call..." This tells me about a
StatelessKnowledgeSession WITH sequential mode.
So, what if I create a StatelessKnowledgeSession from a KnowledgeBase,
but do not turn sequential mode on?
Best
-W
2010/10/19 Michael Anstis <michael.anstis(a)gmail.com>:
> No doubt I'm missing the point but have you seen "3.3.7.1. Sequential
Mode"
> in Expert's documentation?
>
> On 19 October 2010 21:27, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> As I understand the Expert documentation, Sequential Mode has to be
>> turned on, even with a Stateless Knowledge Session to achieve all the
>> shortcuts and speed-ups.
>>
>> What the documentation does not tell me (or I haven't seen it) is the
>> difference of a Stateless Knowledge Session with and without Sequential
>> Mode.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Wolfgang
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>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
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Few more questions related to sequential mode in stateless session:
1. Can we insert objects in the RHS of the rule and these objects can be
used in the LHS of another rule ?
2. Can anyone provide use case for sequential mode stateless session ?
3. Can I have a high salience rule which inserts fact using *insert *keyword
and that fact can be used in the LHS of another rule with low salience.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Swindells, Thomas <TSwindells(a)nds.com>wrote:
I've not used it but from what I understand:
Sequential mode:
1. Insert facts
2. Create activations.
3. Fire all activations.
4. Done.
None Sequential (Standard) mode:
1. Insert facts.
2. Create initial activations.
3. Pop and fire highest salience activation.
4. Update activations (if update, retract etc was performed).
5. If there are more activations goto 3.
6. Done.
They key difference is that in the standard mode rule consequences can
activate and deactivate activations as they update the working memory.
Thomas
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rules-users-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org [mailto:rules-users-
> bounces(a)lists.jboss.org] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Laun
> Sent: 19 October 2010 22:34
> To: Rules Users List
> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Stateless K-Session but no Sequential Mode
>
> Indeed I have, and I've read it down to the last paragraph:
> "Sequential mode can only be used with a Stateless Session and is off
> by default. To turn it on, either call..." This tells me about a
> StatelessKnowledgeSession WITH sequential mode.
>
> So, what if I create a StatelessKnowledgeSession from a KnowledgeBase,
> but do not turn sequential mode on?
>
> Best
> -W
>
>
> 2010/10/19 Michael Anstis <michael.anstis(a)gmail.com>:
> > No doubt I'm missing the point but have you seen "3.3.7.1. Sequential
Mode"
> > in Expert's documentation?
> >
> > On 19 October 2010 21:27, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> >>
> >> As I understand the Expert documentation, Sequential Mode has to be
> >> turned on, even with a Stateless Knowledge Session to achieve all the
> >> shortcuts and speed-ups.
> >>
> >> What the documentation does not tell me (or I haven't seen it) is the
> >> difference of a Stateless Knowledge Session with and without
Sequential
> >> Mode.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Wolfgang
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2:55 a.m.
From what I understand the answer to 1, and 3 is no - once the list of
activations is generated it isn't regenerated.
This greatly increases performance if you are dealing with a problem where the input facts
and consequences are partitioned and isolated - for instance you could have a load of
complex routing rules which update the message with the destination it should be sent to.
As long as your rules don't want to reason over the messages destination list you can
execute this sequentially.
Thomas
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Subject: Re: [rules-users] Stateless K-Session but no Sequential Mode
Few more questions related to sequential mode in stateless session:
1. Can we insert objects in the RHS of the rule and these objects can be used in the LHS
of another rule ?
2. Can anyone provide use case for sequential mode stateless session ?
3. Can I have a high salience rule which inserts fact using insert keyword and that fact
can be used in the LHS of another rule with low salience.
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Swindells, Thomas
<TSwindells@nds.com<mailto:TSwindells@nds.com>> wrote:
I've not used it but from what I understand:
Sequential mode:
1. Insert facts
2. Create activations.
3. Fire all activations.
4. Done.
None Sequential (Standard) mode:
1. Insert facts.
2. Create initial activations.
3. Pop and fire highest salience activation.
4. Update activations (if update, retract etc was performed).
5. If there are more activations goto 3.
6. Done.
They key difference is that in the standard mode rule consequences can activate and
deactivate activations as they update the working memory.
Thomas
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Subject: Re: [rules-users] Stateless K-Session but no Sequential Mode
Indeed I have, and I've read it down to the last paragraph:
"Sequential mode can only be used with a Stateless Session and is off
by default. To turn it on, either call..." This tells me about a
StatelessKnowledgeSession WITH sequential mode.
So, what if I create a StatelessKnowledgeSession from a KnowledgeBase,
but do not turn sequential mode on?
Best
-W
2010/10/19 Michael Anstis
<michael.anstis@gmail.com<mailto:michael.anstis@gmail.com>>:
> No doubt I'm missing the point but have you seen "3.3.7.1. Sequential
Mode"
> in Expert's documentation?
>
> On 19 October 2010 21:27, Wolfgang Laun
<wolfgang.laun@gmail.com<mailto:wolfgang.laun@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> As I understand the Expert documentation, Sequential Mode has to be
>> turned on, even with a Stateless Knowledge Session to achieve all the
>> shortcuts and speed-ups.
>>
>> What the documentation does not tell me (or I haven't seen it) is the
>> difference of a Stateless Knowledge Session with and without Sequential
>> Mode.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Wolfgang
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>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
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6:34 a.m.
If I understand this correctly, there isn't much point in having a
non-sequential-mode stateless session.
If I want a one-shot execution, I can call inserts, fireAllRules and
dispose() just as well in a stateful session.
Possibly this is due to past development.
Thanks!
-W
On 20 October 2010 09:13, Swindells, Thomas <TSwindells(a)nds.com> wrote:
I've not used it but from what I understand:
Sequential mode:
1. Insert facts
2. Create activations.
3. Fire all activations.
4. Done.
None Sequential (Standard) mode:
1. Insert facts.
2. Create initial activations.
3. Pop and fire highest salience activation.
4. Update activations (if update, retract etc was performed).
5. If there are more activations goto 3.
6. Done.
They key difference is that in the standard mode rule consequences can activate and
deactivate activations as they update the working memory.
Thomas
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rules-users-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org [mailto:rules-users-
> bounces(a)lists.jboss.org] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Laun
> Sent: 19 October 2010 22:34
> To: Rules Users List
> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Stateless K-Session but no Sequential Mode
>
> Indeed I have, and I've read it down to the last paragraph:
> "Sequential mode can only be used with a Stateless Session and is off
> by default. To turn it on, either call..." This tells me about a
> StatelessKnowledgeSession WITH sequential mode.
>
> So, what if I create a StatelessKnowledgeSession from a KnowledgeBase,
> but do not turn sequential mode on?
>
> Best
> -W
>
>
> 2010/10/19 Michael Anstis <michael.anstis(a)gmail.com>:
> > No doubt I'm missing the point but have you seen "3.3.7.1. Sequential
Mode"
> > in Expert's documentation?
> >
> > On 19 October 2010 21:27, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> As I understand the Expert documentation, Sequential Mode has to be
> >> turned on, even with a Stateless Knowledge Session to achieve all the
> >> shortcuts and speed-ups.
> >>
> >> What the documentation does not tell me (or I haven't seen it) is the
> >> difference of a Stateless Knowledge Session with and without Sequential
> >> Mode.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Wolfgang
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6:52 a.m.
That is enough reason in itself - why go to the bother of having to do inserts, fire all
rules and dispose separately when stateless sessions do that all for you - as the javadoc
says:
"StatelessKnowledgeSession provides a convenience API, wrapping
StatefulKnowledgeSession. It avoids the need to call dispose()."
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Subject: Re: [rules-users] Stateless K-Session but no Sequential Mode
If I understand this correctly, there isn't much point in having a
non-sequential-mode stateless session.
If I want a one-shot execution, I can call inserts, fireAllRules and
dispose() just as well in a stateful session.
Possibly this is due to past development.
Thanks!
-W
On 20 October 2010 09:13, Swindells, Thomas <TSwindells(a)nds.com> wrote:
> I've not used it but from what I understand:
> Sequential mode:
> 1. Insert facts
> 2. Create activations.
> 3. Fire all activations.
> 4. Done.
>
> None Sequential (Standard) mode:
> 1. Insert facts.
> 2. Create initial activations.
> 3. Pop and fire highest salience activation.
> 4. Update activations (if update, retract etc was performed).
> 5. If there are more activations goto 3.
> 6. Done.
>
> They key difference is that in the standard mode rule consequences can
activate and deactivate activations as they update the working memory.
>
> Thomas
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rules-users-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org [mailto:rules-users-
>> bounces(a)lists.jboss.org] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Laun
>> Sent: 19 October 2010 22:34
>> To: Rules Users List
>> Subject: Re: [rules-users] Stateless K-Session but no Sequential Mode
>>
>> Indeed I have, and I've read it down to the last paragraph:
>> "Sequential mode can only be used with a Stateless Session and is off
>> by default. To turn it on, either call..." This tells me about a
>> StatelessKnowledgeSession WITH sequential mode.
>>
>> So, what if I create a StatelessKnowledgeSession from a KnowledgeBase,
>> but do not turn sequential mode on?
>>
>> Best
>> -W
>>
>>
>> 2010/10/19 Michael Anstis <michael.anstis(a)gmail.com>:
>> > No doubt I'm missing the point but have you seen "3.3.7.1.
Sequential
Mode"
>> > in Expert's documentation?
>> >
>> > On 19 October 2010 21:27, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>> >>
>> >> As I understand the Expert documentation, Sequential Mode has to be
>> >> turned on, even with a Stateless Knowledge Session to achieve all the
>> >> shortcuts and speed-ups.
>> >>
>> >> What the documentation does not tell me (or I haven't seen it) is
the
>> >> difference of a Stateless Knowledge Session with and without
Sequential
>> >> Mode.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >> Wolfgang
>> >> _______________________________________________
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