11:26 a.m.
Hello,
I am developing a java based stand alone logger framework to plug in to my integration
applications. After logging the messages, the framework need to forward the message to a
notification service (a Java based SOAP/HTTP web service) . The business logic of this
notification service now needs to be implemented using JBoss Business Rules Management
System. Since my integration applications run on WebSphere server, I would be using the
WebSphere SOAP engine for logger framework to invoke the notification web service. I am
new to the JBoss suite of integration products. Could you please help me with the below
1. To build some rules, say if-else or decision tables, is JBoss BRMS alone
sufficient?
2. Once the business rules are developed, is there a way to expose these rules as a
SOAP/HTTP web service?
3. What are the set of products needed to develop and deploy this rule service as a
SOAP/HTTP web service? I assume it is JBoss BRMS and JBoss Enterprise SOA Platform.
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Any help/guidance on the above queries are greatly appreciated.
Thanks & Regards
Kishore
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12:40 p.m.
Hi Kishore,
In the community version of the project you have Drools Server for exposing
the rule and the process engine via SOAP and REST.
I'm not sure if in the comercial version BRMS is already included.
Greetings.
2011/2/16 Vkishore_Kumar <Vkishore_Kumar(a)mahindrasatyam.com>
Hello,
I am developing a java based stand alone logger framework to plug in to my
integration applications. After logging the messages, the framework need to
forward the message to a notification service (a Java based SOAP/HTTP web
service) . The business logic of this notification service now needs to be
implemented using JBoss Business Rules Management System. Since my
integration applications run on WebSphere server, I would be using the
WebSphere SOAP engine for logger framework to invoke the notification web
service. I am new to the JBoss suite of integration products. Could you
please help me with the below
1. To build some rules, say if-else or decision tables, is JBoss
BRMS alone sufficient?
2. Once the business rules are developed, is there a way to expose
these rules as a SOAP/HTTP web service?
3. What are the set of products needed to develop and deploy this
rule service as a SOAP/HTTP web service? I assume it is JBoss BRMS and JBoss
Enterprise SOA Platform.
Any help/guidance on the above queries are greatly appreciated.
Thanks & Regards
Kishore
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4:31 a.m.
Hi Mauricio,
Thank you for the response. Can you please provide me a link where I can
download the community version of the project? And I believe you meant
"project" as BRMS. And since the default package of BRMS does not include
the SOA runtime in it, do we need to install the SA runtime seperately to
meet the purpose?
Thank you
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4:41 a.m.
Hi Kishore,
The Drools Server can be downloaded from the Drools Downloads page on the
JBoss website:
http://www.jboss.org/drools/downloads
Cheers!
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Thank you for the response. Can you please provide me a link where I can
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6:49 a.m.
Hi Travis,
Do you have any articles which explains how to expose JBoss rules as a
WebService? I have searched on the internet but struggling to find out if
JBoss BRMS directly supports exposing business rules as WebService, if yes
how?
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7:16 a.m.
Aah, my apologies, I merely answered your immediate previous question on
where to download Drools Server.
Short answer:
There is no JBoss BRMS-specific WebService provider.
The Drools Server may possibly work with JBoss BRMS.
If not then you will need to roll-your-own or hire out to someone else who
can build one for you.
My understanding from talking to others around is that historically most
people have built their own WebService interface, so no, nothing coming
"out of the box" as it were.
I have not used Drools Server yet to know if it can be integrated with
BRMS (unless someone else on this list can comment?) - given that it's
there and will only cost you time, it may be worth trying.
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10:38 a.m.
Hi Travis,
Thank you for the prompt response. So if that is the case, say if I use
JBoss BRMS, how do I make my rules available to the external world (if not
through webservice)? Is a GUI the only way to access the business rules?
There must be some programmatic way of accessing the JBoss rules.
Sorry for confusing you with the Drools server, because I am myself confused
with the architecture as in where will Drools fit in and where will JBoss
BRMS fit in? All I need is to implement business rules using JBoss product.
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12:13 p.m.
The short high-level answer is:
You can use JBoss Tools or Eclipse plugins for Drools to create various
kinds of rules.
You can use JBoss Drools Guvnor to manage rules and create rules.
Before you can create rules you need to provide a data model of some
kind, typically a collection of Java classes that will be the 'facts'
that rules are applied to.
In order to execute rules you initialise working memory with rules and
facts and the rules are fired.
This implies that a lot of what happens is specific to your data model.
Thus you will have to develop that code that decides how your model
interacts with the rules.
Drools provides an agent that can interact with Drools Guvnor to
retrieve the rules instead of using some local storage.
Your code will have to initialise the agent and then rules will be
retrieved from Guvnor and executed locally.
You can also use integration tools like Apache Camel or Spring
Integration and invoke Drools from within an integration flow.
Drools Server provides remote execution of rules via a RESTful API and
other mechanisms for Apache Camel.
Hope this gives you some direction.
On 17/02/2011 11:38, vkishorekumar wrote:
Hi Travis,
Thank you for the prompt response. So if that is the case, say if I use
JBoss BRMS, how do I make my rules available to the external world (if not
through webservice)? Is a GUI the only way to access the business rules?
There must be some programmatic way of accessing the JBoss rules.
Sorry for confusing you with the Drools server, because I am myself confused
with the architecture as in where will Drools fit in and where will JBoss
BRMS fit in? All I need is to implement business rules using JBoss product.
Thanks& Regards
Kishore
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Have you read this document?
http://hudson.jboss.org/hudson/job/drools/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/ta...
It explains different ways to integrate drools int your applications.
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The short high-level answer is:
You can use JBoss Tools or Eclipse plugins for Drools to create various
kinds of rules.
You can use JBoss Drools Guvnor to manage rules and create rules.
Before you can create rules you need to provide a data model of some kind,
typically a collection of Java classes that will be the 'facts' that rules
are applied to.
In order to execute rules you initialise working memory with rules and
facts and the rules are fired.
This implies that a lot of what happens is specific to your data model.
Thus you will have to develop that code that decides how your model
interacts with the rules.
Drools provides an agent that can interact with Drools Guvnor to retrieve
the rules instead of using some local storage.
Your code will have to initialise the agent and then rules will be
retrieved from Guvnor and executed locally.
You can also use integration tools like Apache Camel or Spring Integration
and invoke Drools from within an integration flow.
Drools Server provides remote execution of rules via a RESTful API and
other mechanisms for Apache Camel.
Hope this gives you some direction.
On 17/02/2011 11:38, vkishorekumar wrote:
Hi Travis,
Thank you for the prompt response. So if that is the case, say if I use
JBoss BRMS, how do I make my rules available to the external world (if not
through webservice)? Is a GUI the only way to access the business rules?
There must be some programmatic way of accessing the JBoss rules.
Sorry for confusing you with the Drools server, because I am myself confused
with the architecture as in where will Drools fit in and where will JBoss
BRMS fit in? All I need is to implement business rules using JBoss product.
Thanks & Regards
Kishore
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