My suggestion is fire the invitations 10 minutes before and if we face with any kind of issues switch to IRC meetings.

Generally, I do like IRC based meetings. On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Bruno Oliveira <bruno(a)abstractj.org&gt; wrote: My suggestion is fire the invitations 10 minutes before and if we face with any kind of issues switch to IRC meetings. +1 that is a good option, but I guess the point that qmx is making is "lack of information". I think that things are more explicit when the meeting is on IRC. + there is an archived version of it. Right now we post the agenda, which is good, but this does not always reflect the discussions around some of the items on the agenda. On the other hand, I can see what qmx also stated: A video conference may feel more productive. Why not trying two meetings, based on IRC. Afterwards we can reflect things. -M Douglas Campos wrote: > Howdy! > > Today after the hangout failure I realized how bad is for the project to > have hangouts for the project meetings - and how they make us more > closed than we should be. > (just as a background, we did have IRC meetings in the past, but since > we were 4 people only, having the hangouts "felt" more productive - and > the benefits made the problems less obvious to us). > > So I propose that we move back to IRC meetings for now, and keep the > hangouts only for internal topics and non-project stuff. > > Thoughts? > -- abstractj _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev

we need someone to write a hangout plugin that translates what we say to IRC

On Jun 17, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Kris Borchers <kris(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > I think in general the idea of IRC meetings is ok. My biggest concern is that our meetings will be much longer. In order to have good discussions while typing everything will just take more time. I feel like we resolve a lot of misunderstandings via hangouts that seem to go unresolved when trying to express our thoughts in IRC or e-mail. > > On Jun 17, 2013, at 11:02 AM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; wrote: > >> Generally, I do like IRC based meetings. >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Bruno Oliveira <bruno(a)abstractj.org&gt; wrote: >> My suggestion is fire the invitations 10 minutes before and if we face >> with any kind of issues switch to IRC meetings. >> >> >> +1 that is a good option, >> but I guess the point that qmx is making is "lack of information". I think that things are more explicit when the meeting is on IRC. >> >> + there is an archived version of it. Right now we post the agenda, which is good, but this does not always reflect the discussions around some of the items on the agenda. >> >> On the other hand, I can see what qmx also stated: A video conference may feel more productive. >> >> >> Why not trying two meetings, based on IRC. Afterwards we can reflect things. >> >> >> >> -M >> >> >> >> Douglas Campos wrote: >> > Howdy! >> > >> > Today after the hangout failure I realized how bad is for the project to >> > have hangouts for the project meetings - and how they make us more >> > closed than we should be. >> > (just as a background, we did have IRC meetings in the past, but since >> > we were 4 people only, having the hangouts "felt" more productive - and >> > the benefits made the problems less obvious to us). >> > >> > So I propose that we move back to IRC meetings for now, and keep the >> > hangouts only for internal topics and non-project stuff. >> > >> > Thoughts? >> > >> >> -- >> abstractj >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aerogear-dev mailing list >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >> >> >> >> -- >> Matthias Wessendorf >> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> _______________________________________________ >> aerogear-dev mailing list >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > > _______________________________________________ > aerogear-dev mailing list > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev

perhaps a better "meeting minutes" solution would make it more open ?

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Douglas Campos <qmx@qmx.me<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', &#39;qmx(a)qmx.me&#39;);&gt; > wrote: > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 08:51:43PM +0200, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: > > perhaps a better "meeting minutes" solution would make it more open ? > Honestly I don't think we have a better option than IRC meetings - > Doing the meetings on video is kinda like the same as if we sat together > inside a room and used whiteboards for all the discussion, then just > posted pictures of the boards. > > I know it's more work doing it on a written form, but I think it'll pay > off in the future. > Let's try... also, when folks are "gone" (e.g. vacation what not), this is more transparent and easy to read-up on "meetings". right now: almost zero chance of knowing what's going on > > -- > qmx > _______________________________________________ > aerogear-dev mailing list > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', > &#39;aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org&#39;);&gt; > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf

Let's try it!

On Jun 22, 2013 10:35 AM, "Matthias Wessendorf" <matzew@apache.org<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', &#39;matzew(a)apache.org&#39;);&gt;&gt; wrote: > any result here? > > Should we try the open IRC meeting style? > > On Tuesday, June 18, 2013, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Douglas Campos <qmx(a)qmx.me&gt; wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 08:51:43PM +0200, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: >>> > perhaps a better "meeting minutes" solution would make it more open ? >>> Honestly I don't think we have a better option than IRC meetings - >>> Doing the meetings on video is kinda like the same as if we sat together >>> inside a room and used whiteboards for all the discussion, then just >>> posted pictures of the boards. >>> >>> I know it's more work doing it on a written form, but I think it'll pay >>> off in the future. >>> >> >> Let's try... >> also, when folks are "gone" (e.g. vacation what not), this is more >> transparent and easy to read-up on "meetings". >> right now: almost zero chance of knowing what's going on >> >> >>> >>> -- >>> qmx >>> _______________________________________________ >>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Matthias Wessendorf >> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> > > > -- > Matthias Wessendorf > > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > > _______________________________________________ > aerogear-dev mailing list > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', > &#39;aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org&#39;);&gt; > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >

And what about giving talky.io a try ;) ? Envoyé de mon iPhone Le Jun 22, 2013 à 12:01, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; a écrit : On Saturday, June 22, 2013, Corinne Krych wrote: > Let's try it! > yeah!! \o/ > On Jun 22, 2013 10:35 AM, "Matthias Wessendorf" <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; > wrote: > >> any result here? >> >> Should we try the open IRC meeting style? >> >> On Tuesday, June 18, 2013, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Douglas Campos <qmx(a)qmx.me&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 08:51:43PM +0200, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: >>>> > perhaps a better "meeting minutes" solution would make it more open ? >>>> Honestly I don't think we have a better option than IRC meetings - >>>> Doing the meetings on video is kinda like the same as if we sat >>>> together >>>> inside a room and used whiteboards for all the discussion, then just >>>> posted pictures of the boards. >>>> >>>> I know it's more work doing it on a written form, but I think it'll pay >>>> off in the future. >>>> >>> >>> Let's try... >>> also, when folks are "gone" (e.g. vacation what not), this is more >>> transparent and easy to read-up on "meetings". >>> right now: almost zero chance of knowing what's going on >>> >>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> qmx >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Matthias Wessendorf >>> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >>> >> >> >> -- >> Matthias Wessendorf >> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aerogear-dev mailing list >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >> > -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev

Hi All, For the RichFaces project we used IRC meetings and I thought it worked out really well! We used meetbot [1], so had nice minutes, and once you get used to the hashtags it becomes much more productive. Another nice benefit is that language becomes less of an issue, and there is little worry about talking over each other. As Qmx said we used to have IRC meetings and switched to hangout, but I think it is best if we switch back. As for time the meetings take, I actually think we can get through the agenda quicker in some cases. So for today lets go with it, and we can post the link to the logs to the mailing list as well. -Jay [1] http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot On Jun 22, 2013, at 6:01 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: On Saturday, June 22, 2013, Corinne Krych wrote: > Let's try it! > yeah!! \o/ > On Jun 22, 2013 10:35 AM, "Matthias Wessendorf" <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; > wrote: > >> any result here? >> >> Should we try the open IRC meeting style? >> >> On Tuesday, June 18, 2013, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Douglas Campos <qmx(a)qmx.me&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 08:51:43PM +0200, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: >>>> > perhaps a better "meeting minutes" solution would make it more open ? >>>> Honestly I don't think we have a better option than IRC meetings - >>>> Doing the meetings on video is kinda like the same as if we sat >>>> together >>>> inside a room and used whiteboards for all the discussion, then just >>>> posted pictures of the boards. >>>> >>>> I know it's more work doing it on a written form, but I think it'll pay >>>> off in the future. >>>> >>> >>> Let's try... >>> also, when folks are "gone" (e.g. vacation what not), this is more >>> transparent and easy to read-up on "meetings". >>> right now: almost zero chance of knowing what's going on >>> >>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> qmx >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> aerogear-dev mailing list >>>> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Matthias Wessendorf >>> >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >>> >> >> >> -- >> Matthias Wessendorf >> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aerogear-dev mailing list >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >> > -- Matthias Wessendorf blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev

On Jun 24, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Jay Balunas <jbalunas(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Hi All, > > For the RichFaces project we used IRC meetings and I thought it worked out really well! We used meetbot [1], so had nice minutes, and once you get used to the hashtags it becomes much more productive. Another nice benefit is that language becomes less of an issue, and there is little worry about talking over each other. I disagree that language is less of an issue. A lot of times I have found that discussions over the ML and IRC have fallen short and only the in person discussions resolved issues that were completely misunderstood over multiple e-mails and IRC discussions.

> > As Qmx said we used to have IRC meetings and switched to hangout, but I think it is best if we switch back. > > As for time the meetings take, I actually think we can get through the agenda quicker in some cases. My point wasn't the agenda length but the amount of items that get discussed because they are sparked by other items on the agenda. Many of those discussion have been invaluable and I feel they will be lost moving to IRC meetings.

> > So for today lets go with it, and we can post the link to the logs to the mailing list as well. We'll see how it goes but I have my reservations. > > -Jay > > [1] http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot > > > On Jun 22, 2013, at 6:01 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, June 22, 2013, Corinne Krych wrote: >> Let's try it! >> >> >> yeah!! \o/ >> >> >> >> On Jun 22, 2013 10:35 AM, "Matthias Wessendorf" <matzew(a)apache.org&gt; wrote: >> any result here? >> >> Should we try the open IRC meeting style? >> >> On Tuesday, June 18, 2013, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Douglas Campos <qmx(a)qmx.me&gt; wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 08:51:43PM +0200, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: >> > perhaps a better "meeting minutes" solution would make it more open ? >> Honestly I don't think we have a better option than IRC meetings - >> Doing the meetings on video is kinda like the same as if we sat together >> inside a room and used whiteboards for all the discussion, then just >> posted pictures of the boards. >> >> I know it's more work doing it on a written form, but I think it'll pay >> off in the future. >> >> Let's try... >> also, when folks are "gone" (e.g. vacation what not), this is more transparent and easy to read-up on "meetings". >> right now: almost zero chance of knowing what's going on >> >> >> -- >> qmx >> _______________________________________________ >> aerogear-dev mailing list >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >> >> >> >> -- >> Matthias Wessendorf >> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> >> >> -- >> Matthias Wessendorf >> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> >> _______________________________________________ >> aerogear-dev mailing list >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev >> >> >> -- >> Matthias Wessendorf >> >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >> _______________________________________________ >> aerogear-dev mailing list >> aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev > > _______________________________________________ > aerogear-dev mailing list > aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev _______________________________________________ aerogear-dev mailing list aerogear-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/aerogear-dev