Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat
by Yoann Rodiere
Hi,
TL;DR: please vote here if you don't want to end up having to use a chat
tool you don't like: https://doodle.com/poll/h6scc9bsh6a4ymre
HipChat Cloud will stop working on February 15th, 2019 [1]. We need to
choose an alternative before we have our back against the wall, so I'll try
to resurrect the conversation.
As a reminder, Stride is no longer an option: Atlassian cancelled the
project, and encourages users to migrate to Slack.
The discussed options so far were:
- *Moving back to IRC*. Aye: ?; nay: ?
Pros: simple as hell.
Cons: basic as hell; we won't keep the chat history.
- *Migrating to Slack* [6], as suggested by Atlassian [2]. Aye:
Christian B; Nay: ?
Pros: we will keep the chat history (I think).
Cons: not open-source; desktop client consumes a lot of resources.
- *Migrating to Zulip* [3]. Aye: Emmanuel, Yoann. Nay: Guillaume (kind
of).
Pros: Advanced conversation management thanks to the "topics" feature.
Cons: Complex to use because of the "topics" feature; we won't keep the
chat history (1).
- *Migrating to Gitter* [5] (we'll create different rooms, probably).
Aye: ?, Nay: ?
Pros: Users seem to actually go there, so we could have our "live
support" rooms next to our "internal discussion" rooms.
Cons: not open-source; we won't keep the chat history (1).
I created a poll based on the discussion we had on the thread
"[hibernate-dev] Stride". I think everyone had the time to suggest another
option.
Please vote here and now, or remain silent forever ;):
https://doodle.com/poll/h6scc9bsh6a4ymre
I'd suggest the following rules: if there's a single clear winner (a
platform that everyone would be happy with), we'll pick that one. If there
are multiple clear winners, whoever does the migration work will pick
what's easier to set up (taking into account the various integrations).
Otherwise, back to discussing it on this thread...
(1) There seems to be some work in progress on a migration tool from
HipChat to Zulip, but it doesn't seem to be ready yet [4]
[1]
https://www.atlassian.com/partnerships/slack/faq#faq-da2b66a1-53d3-4c4e-a...
[2] https://www.atlassian.com/partnerships/slack/migration
[3] https://hibernate.zulipchat.com/
[4] https://github.com/zulip/zulip/issues/10647
[5] https://gitter.im/hibernate/hibernate-orm
[6] https://slackdemo.com/
Yoann Rodière
Hibernate NoORM Team
yoann(a)hibernate.org
5 years, 11 months
Loggers
by Steve Ebersole
Yes, I know no one likes talking about logging. "Its not important", until
it is ;)
TLDR I am considering moving to using "module names" for logger names
instead of Class names even for DEBUG/TRACE logging and see if anyone had
strong arguments to not do this..
Full version---
For some time I have been moving to an approach of defining message
loggers[1] using a single contract per function or "module" - e.g.:
1. the second level caching module uses the dedicated message logger
`ConnectionPoolingLogger`
2. the ManagedBeanRegistry module uses the dedicated message logger
`BeansMessageLogger`
3. etc
Each of these define a dedicate instance instance they can use. E.g.
ConnectionPoolingLogger is defined as:
````
@MessageLogger( projectCode = "HHH" )
@ValidIdRange( min = 10001001, max = 10001500 )
public interface ConnectionPoolingLogger extends BasicLogger {
ConnectionPoolingLogger CONNECTIONS_LOGGER = Logger.getMessageLogger(
ConnectionPoolingLogger.class,
"org.hibernate.orm.connections.pooling"
);
...
}
````
I won't get into all the whys I do this unless someone cares ;)
But I am contemplating doing the same for basic loggers so I wanted to ask
everyone else's opinion since this means a change in how you'd have to
configure logging for DEBUG/TRACE output. Usually you'd use the Class name
as the logger name and use that to control logging in the back-end (log4j,
etc). If I do this, you'd have to instead use the module name.
There are quite a few reasons I am considering this, including all of the
reasons I did it for message loggers in the first place. If I am
debugging the loading of a collection or an entity, today I'd have to know
all the packages involved (there is no common root name) and list them in
my log4j.properties; that is because the process is ultimately handled by
delegates or helpers in many different packages (`org.hibernate.loader`,
`org.hibernate.persister`, `org.hibernate.type`, ...). It sure would be
nice to just be able to say `org.hibernate.loading` or
`org.hibernate.loading.entity` or `org.hibernate.loading.collection` or ...
for a number of reasons:
1. When we need to see logging from someone it is a lot easier to tell
the module name(s) you need enabled as opposed a list of package and class
names.
2. When running JPA TCK it is essentially impossible to attach debugger
to step through code when debugging a failure - you have to rely on
debugging through output. *Well that used to be the case, but the
latest TCK broke logging to STDOUT somehow so we ended up having to try and
reproduce the failure in our testsuite - so then it does not matter either
way ;)*
3. Easier to document -
http://docs.jboss.org/hibernate/orm/5.3/topical/html_single/logging/Loggi...
Thoughts?
[1] JBoss Logging's `org.jboss.logging.annotations.MessageLogger` - which
we use for user-focused log messages. Should always be logged at >= INFO
[2]
[3] JBoss Logging's `org.jboss.logging.BasicLogger` - which we use for
developer-focused log messages (for debugging). Should always be logged at
DEBUG or TRACE
5 years, 11 months
Getting automatically removed from the list for "excessive bounces"?
by Jordan Gigov
I've started getting these every month from this list:
> Your membership in the mailing list hibernate-dev has been disabled
> due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
> 24-Oct-2018. You will not get any more messages from this list until
> you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like
> this before your membership in the list is deleted.
Otherwise messages from the list come in normally in my inbox and not
marked as spam.
Does this only affect me, all GMail subscribers, or an even wider audience?
6 years, 1 month
Hibernate OGM 5.4.0.Final release
by Davide D'Alto
Hibernate OGM 5.4.0.Final has been released!
Here's some of the new features included in this release:
- Infinispan remote transactions over HotRod client
- JPQL and native queries support for Infinispan remote
- server side procedures calls for Infinispan Remote
- Cache creation and configuration for Infinispan remote
- GridFS support for MongoDB
More details available in the blog post:
http://in.relation.to/2018/10/30/hibernate-ogm-5-4-Final-released/
Thanks
6 years, 1 month
Github storage / consensus protocol
by Sanne Grinovero
Hi all,
github had some problems last night / this morning with their storage service.
Problem should have been solved by now, but social media highlithed
some reports of people having some of the most recent commits; in some
cases pull requests.
Nothing to panic about as git is well distributed and we all have replicas :)
So let's take advante of its design and perform a consensus check:
could you all please make sure that what you've recently pushed is still there?
I don't expect we'll find any discrepancies, but if you do please
report them here.
Thanks,
Sanne
6 years, 1 month
