Re: [hibernate-dev] Hibernate ORM and Java 8 usage

Hi Steve, The User Guide illustrations are snippets of code that go into the extras folder, which stays right next to every chapter. That's in the main folder. The tests are now located in the test folder of the documentation folder, so that we can update/evolve them in future. They are also a proof that the code snippets work. There was a time when I realized that an example was not really ok, and I had to change that. I change the test first to see how it worked, and only then I updated the Guide. They are also a form of regression testing, so that we are alerted if some future change will break the expectations we made while writing the documentation code snippets. The reader can fork the repo and try them, if he wishes. Vlad On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: > > Vlad, I see you created a PR for moving your new tests out of > hibernate-entitymanager into documentation. I guess that depends on the > intent. Are they meant as illustrations? And if so, how are you > expecting > people will see them? And if they are meant as real tests rather than as > illustrations, I think moving them is not appropriate. > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:57 AM andrea boriero <dreborier(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: > > > I'm not against the use of Java 8 letting AnimalSniffer guarding for > > compatibility, > > but I understand this can cause some problems so I'm ok with removing > > Java > > 8 usage from tests. > > > > On 12 January 2016 at 10:07, Gunnar Morling <gunnar(a)hibernate.org&gt; > > wrote: > > > > > @Vlad, what Java 8 syntax specifically are you using in the user guide > > > tests (examples?)? > > > > > > I like the idea of using a current syntax in usage examples, to give > > > the guide a current look and show that our APIs play well with current > > > Java versions (while staying compatible with older ones). > > > > > > > > > > > > 2016-01-12 10:51 GMT+01:00 Sanne Grinovero <sanne(a)hibernate.org&gt;: > > > > +1 for Vlad's proposal to use the same JDK for tests and main code > > > > in > > > > a given module. > > > > > > > > Infinispan requires Java8 at runtime too, so that module should be > > > > the > > > > only one to use Java8? > > > > > > > > On 12 January 2016 at 07:55, Vlad Mihalcea <mihalcea.vlad(a)gmail.com&gt; > > > wrote: > > > >> I used Java 8 syntax in the User Guide tests as I remembered that > > tests > > > can > > > >> use it, but I also agree that this is a rather strange move. > > > >> Since we need to support Java 1.6, maybe it's a better idea to use > > > >> the > > > >> latest JDK just in the modules where we have no other choice. > > > >> For testing, I think that 1.6 is just fine and I could easily > > > >> change > > > those > > > >> tests to remove the 1.8 dependency. > > > >> > > > >> So I vote for using the same JDK for both main and test in a > > particular > > > >> module. > > > >> > > > >> Vlad > > > >> > > > >> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:35 PM, Steve Ebersole > > > >> <steve(a)hibernate.org > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> The former. People commit things that already assume the move to > > Java > > > 8 > > > >>> locally to build (and test). But at the moment we have not > > formalized > > > >>> that, and so that causes problems when we import into an IDE - the > > > imported > > > >>> IDE project is built for 1.6 compliance and so everything we try > > > >>> in > > > the IDE > > > >>> fails. > > > >>> > > > >>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:33 PM Gunnar Morling > > > >>> <gunnar(a)hibernate.org > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > Hey, > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > or we move to Java 8 and rely on > > > >>> > > AnimalSniffer to make sure we are still compatible. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > WDYM by "move to Java8" exactly? Requiring it at Hibernate's > > > >>> > build > > > >>> > time, or also at runtime in user apps? > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > 2016-01-11 19:49 GMT+01:00 Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org&gt;: > > > >>> > > The use of Java 8 features in Hibernate ORM is starting to > > expand. > > > >>> > Luckily > > > >>> > > it is still constrained to just tests. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > However these usages make development in an IDE more and more > > > >>> difficult. > > > >>> > > Previously this was isolated to hibernate-infinispan. Now[1] > > this > > > has > > > >>> > > crept into hibernate-entitymanager. We need to have a plan > > > >>> > > here. > > > >>> Either > > > >>> > > we stop using Java 8 anywhere, or we move to Java 8 and rely > > > >>> > > on > > > >>> > > AnimalSniffer to make sure we are still compatible. > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > Votes? Other options? > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > [1] > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > > > > https://github.com/hibernate/hibernate-orm/commit/c2ece0108ed52d5e3a227ed... > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > > >>> > > hibernate-dev mailing list > > > >>> > > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > > >>> > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > > >>> > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> hibernate-dev mailing list > > > >>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > > >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > > >>> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> hibernate-dev mailing list > > > >> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > > >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > hibernate-dev mailing list > > > > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > > > hibernate-dev mailing list > > > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > hibernate-dev mailing list > > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev