Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

Not everyone voted, far from it; we're missing votes from Gail, Guillaume, Fabio, Chris, Davide, Emmanuel, Koen. So no, no consensus yet. I sent an email to them off-list, perhaps they didn't see this thread. Provisional results are as follows: IRC: 2 Yes, 3 "if need be", 3 no Slack: 2 Yes, 2 "if need be", 4 no Zulip: 2 Yes, 3 "if need be", 3 no Gitter: 6 Yes, 0 "if need be", 2 no So Gitter seems on the verge of winning, but apparently some people are categorically against it, so I'd say we'll have to give them a chance to explain why. I'll wait for everyone to answer, though, since they could completely change the results. Yoann Rodière Hibernate NoORM Team yoann(a)hibernate.org On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 13:35, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: > Any consensus on this yet? > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 5:21 AM Sanne Grinovero <sanne(a)hibernate.org&gt; > wrote: > >> Thanks for starting this! >> >> The choice of IRC is a bit special on the list as we never intended it >> to be killed: it has been historically important and we should >> maintain some level of reachability on it. So voting for the "IRC" >> choice just means a preference to not use anything else on top of it, >> while alternatively we'' be using X on top of IRC, albeit with a >> preference to use X for team conversations. >> >> Also good to remind: please try to be on IRC as well occasionally as >> many in the OSS community we integrate with will reach out there. >> >> Thanks, >> Sanne >> >> On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 09:46, Yoann Rodiere <yoann(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > TL;DR: please vote here if you don't want to end up having to use a >> chat >> > tool you don't like: https://doodle.com/poll/h6scc9bsh6a4ymre >> > >> > HipChat Cloud will stop working on February 15th, 2019 [1]. We need to >> > choose an alternative before we have our back against the wall, so >> I'll try >> > to resurrect the conversation. >> > >> > As a reminder, Stride is no longer an option: Atlassian cancelled the >> > project, and encourages users to migrate to Slack. >> > >> > The discussed options so far were: >> > >> > - *Moving back to IRC*. Aye: ?; nay: ? >> > Pros: simple as hell. >> > Cons: basic as hell; we won't keep the chat history. >> > - *Migrating to Slack* [6], as suggested by Atlassian [2]. Aye: >> > Christian B; Nay: ? >> > Pros: we will keep the chat history (I think). >> > Cons: not open-source; desktop client consumes a lot of resources. >> > - *Migrating to Zulip* [3]. Aye: Emmanuel, Yoann. Nay: Guillaume >> (kind >> > of). >> > Pros: Advanced conversation management thanks to the "topics" >> feature. >> > Cons: Complex to use because of the "topics" feature; we won't keep >> the >> > chat history (1). >> > - *Migrating to Gitter* [5] (we'll create different rooms, >> probably). >> > Aye: ?, Nay: ? >> > Pros: Users seem to actually go there, so we could have our "live >> > support" rooms next to our "internal discussion" rooms. >> > Cons: not open-source; we won't keep the chat history (1). >> > >> > I created a poll based on the discussion we had on the thread >> > "[hibernate-dev] Stride". I think everyone had the time to suggest >> another >> > option. >> > >> > Please vote here and now, or remain silent forever ;): >> > https://doodle.com/poll/h6scc9bsh6a4ymre >> > >> > I'd suggest the following rules: if there's a single clear winner (a >> > platform that everyone would be happy with), we'll pick that one. If >> there >> > are multiple clear winners, whoever does the migration work will pick >> > what's easier to set up (taking into account the various integrations). >> > Otherwise, back to discussing it on this thread... >> > >> > (1) There seems to be some work in progress on a migration tool from >> > HipChat to Zulip, but it doesn't seem to be ready yet [4] >> > >> > [1] >> > >> https://www.atlassian.com/partnerships/slack/faq#faq-da2b66a1-53d3-4c4e-a... >> > [2] https://www.atlassian.com/partnerships/slack/migration >> > [3] https://hibernate.zulipchat.com/ >> > [4] https://github.com/zulip/zulip/issues/10647 >> > [5] https://gitter.im/hibernate/hibernate-orm >> > [6] https://slackdemo.com/ >> > >> > Yoann Rodière >> > Hibernate NoORM Team >> > yoann(a)hibernate.org >> > _______________________________________________ >> > hibernate-dev mailing list >> > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> hibernate-dev mailing list >> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > >