Rather than passing around Properties, we'd pass somethign like that
around. Then we'd use its "getConsumedProperties".
On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 10:05 +0100, Emmanuel Bernard wrote:
That's the point Hardy, the list of consumed properties is not
known in advance in Hibernate search. Or is the plan get core pass all the raw Properties
and HSearch return the list of properties it really wants? In which case it will return
all of them to implement our current approach.
I guess the point is that I am lost and don't see how (my understanding of) the pull
second option can work for Search.
On 2 févr. 2010, at 15:12, Hardy Ferentschik wrote:
> For the Hibernate Search case I could imagine to implement Steve's second pull
> approach. Search already defines an interface SearchConfiguration which delegates
the
> access to the underlying Configuration properties. It should be easy to implement
some
> sort of journaling to keep track which properties Search consumes.
>
> If we can keep track of the consumes properties we should be able to report this
back
> into Core via the PropertyConsumer#collectConsumedProperties approach.
>
> WDYT?
>
> --Hardy
>
> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:54:57 -0300, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org>
wrote:
>
>> The 'know in advance' approach is exactly what I was trying to avoid. I
guess that is another option I forgot on that list
>>
>> It's not the I want to implement (way too tedious).
>>
>> -- Sent from my Palm Pre
>> steve(a)hibernate.org
>>
http://hibernate.orgEmmanuel Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>> Provided HSearch does not know in advance what properties are required by its
plugins, I was wondering how that would work. That's why I asked Hardy for an
implementation example as he seemed to have understood.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1 févr. 2010, at 20:52, Steve Ebersole wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> For Search afaict as you mentioned listeners will be the touchpoint
>>
>>> here. So it depends on what is accessible to the listeners.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> At some point this just needs to be a best effort.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 18:42 +0100, Emmanuel Bernard wrote:
>>
>>>> Hardy,
>>
>>>> How would it work for say a DirectoryProvider in Hibernate search (which
is a plugin of HSearch which itself is a plugin of Core in a way - listener).
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Remember we have the hibernate.search.default.[customproperty] category
and the hibernate.search.[indexname].[customproperty] category. What would the the impl of
PropertyConsumer#collectConsumedProperties like for Hibernate Search?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> On 1 févr. 2010, at 16:28, Hardy Ferentschik wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> The pull approach via an additional PropertyConsumer interface works
for me.
>>
>>>>> It seems to be a good trade-off. Least invasive while still getting
some order
>>
>>>>> into the properties.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> --Hardy
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:14:02 -0300, Steve Ebersole
&lt;steve(a)hibernate.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 09:49 +0100, Emmanuel Bernard wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Also "plugins" can make use of the general
availability of properties.
>>
>>>>>>> For example Hibernate Search reads everything under
hibernate.search (and it's not a limited set of property names). Likewise, HSearch
extensions can use whatever property name they want to configure say the custom backend or
the directory providers (either custom or even one of the system properties).
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> The main use case I was keeping in mind along the way was
caching. I know in the JBC and Infinispan integrations they added the ability to read a
lot of config information from our properties.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> As long as it is something configured by the Configuration
->
>>
>>>>>> Settings/SessionFactory process or the something is known to
>>
>>>>>> SessionFactory at the end of its init it is workable. For
example, I
>>
>>>>>> imagine Validator would be easy to tie in here because of the
listeners;
>>
>>>>>> they are known to the SessionFactory. Not so sure about Search,
it
>>
>>>>>> registers listeners too so maybe its ok.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> The first question is whether we want a push or pull (from
perspective
>>
>>>>>> of the things being configured) model here. For example, would
the
>>
>>>>>> ConnectionProvider tell SessionFactory about the properties it
consumed
>>
>>>>>> (push)? Or would the SessionFactory ask the ConnectionProvider
for that
>>
>>>>>> info (pull)?
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> The pull approach has the advantage of being the least trade-off
. We
>>
>>>>>> could add an optional interface "PropertyConsumer"
that things can
>>
>>>>>> choose to implement. If they do, the method would be something
like
>>
>>>>>> "collectConsumedProperties(Map copy)"; they would put
all the property
>>
>>>>>> keys/values into the given map.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> Another potential "pull" approach is to not pass
around j.u.Properties
>>
>>>>>> into these things to configure themselves, but to instead wrap
that in a
>>
>>>>>> class that journals the key/values as they are requested. That
is a bit
>>
>>>>>> more invasive though as it would mean changing quite a few
contracts,
>>
>>>>>> some of which are implemented by classes outside our control.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> In the "push" strategy, the things configuring
themselves somehow push
>>
>>>>>> which properties (key/value) they are consuming. Much like the
second
>>
>>>>>> pull-approach, this is pretty invasive because we would need to
pass in
>>
>>>>>> the mechanism for these "configurables" to report back
which properties
>>
>>>>>> they are consuming. Not to mention its tedious.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> Long term I like the second pull approach. However, I
personally think
>>
>>>>>> it is too disruptive in the short term and that we should use
the first
>>
>>>>>> pull approach for now.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>> --
>>
>>> Steve Ebersole &lt;steve(a)hibernate.org>
>>
>>>
Hibernate.org
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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