Re: [hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

Are you using the webapp? Because I don't see any preference to enable sound and there is no sound at all when I get a notification. On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 11:21 AM Gunnar Morling <gunnar(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: > > Have you tried "Room Settings" -> "Notifications"? We're on Gitter for > Debezium, too, and in fact the notifications were too noisy for me, so > I turned them off :) > > --Gunnar > > Am Mo., 12. Nov. 2018 um 10:59 Uhr schrieb Guillaume Smet > <guillaume.smet(a)gmail.com&gt;: > > > > Hi, > > > > So, one thing I find particularly annoying with Gitter now that we are > > trying to use it for real interactions is the lack of notification sounds > > in the webapp. When you're focused on your work, it's really easy to miss > > the visual ones and having a sound really helped on HipChat. > > > > There is an open issue here: > > https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitter/webapp/issues/735 . > > > > AFAICS in the commit log, there's one person working on Gitter and it's not > > making tremendous progress. > > > > (Yeah, I know, it's Open Source, I can contribute...) > > > > -- > > Guillaume > > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 3:47 PM Yoann Rodiere <yoann(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > TL;DR: I created the Gitter rooms. Let's all go there for a few days, at > > > least to try it? > > > > > > *Connecting* > > > > > > Obviously you can just connect to https://gitter.im/ and use the browser. > > > You can sign in with your Github, Gitlab or Twitter account. > > > > > > There are also desktop/mobile applications. https://gitter.im/apps > > > They only provide .deb packages, though, and I wasn't able to convert them > > > easily using alien (I didn't try very hard). There is a snap out there, but > > > it's an old version that isn't allow to use the Gitter APIs anymore. > > > > > > If you prefer to use IRC, they apparently provide a bridge. I don't know > > > what it's worth, but you can always give it a try: see > > > https://irc.gitter.im/ . > > > > > > *What's next?* > > > > > > Let's try to use it for a few days, see if everyone is comfortable with it? > > > Let's see if there isn't any blocker for anyone, and if the news from other > > > projects (such as WildFly moving to Slack) don't make use change our minds. > > > > > > Then if everyone is okay with it, we can finalize everything: > > > > > > - Invite external people to our rooms (I didn't invite anyone except our > > > own team) > > > - Advertise Gitter as our main chat platform: > > > - On our websites > > > - On IRC (we should at least mention it in the "message of the day") > > > - On the hibernate-announce mailing list > > > - In the REAME file of our projects through a badge: []( > > > https://gitter.im/hibernate/hibernate-room-id > > > ?utm_source=badge&utm_medium=badge&utm_campaign=pr-badge) > > > - Close the HipChat rooms somehow. > > > > > > *Available rooms* > > > > > > For each of our main projects, I created one room bound to the GitHub > > > repository for users, and *one *-dev room for our own use*. > > > I also created rooms based on what I could see in HipChat (branding, ...). > > > > > > You can find a list of all rooms here: https://gitter.im/hibernate/home > > > > > > I already added people according to which room they were member of in > > > HipChat, but I may have missed some. Please check which room you are > > > subscribed to. > > > > > > *Settings* > > > > > > You can configure how often you want to be notified for each room: go to > > > the room, click on the "settings" button next to your avatar on the top > > > right, then "Notifications". > > > In this same popup, you have the option of setting general defaults. > > > > > > Also, a dark theme is available: click on your avatar on the top right, > > > then "Toggle Dark Theme". > > > > > > That's pretty much it. > > > > > > *Configuring your rooms* > > > > > > I configured the main rooms to receive Github notifications on the > > > "activity tab" to the right, as well as Jenkins notifications for the > > > "master" and "PR" job (when I found it). Feel free to add more integration > > > if you want to. > > > > > > How to add a Jenkins integration: > > > > > > - If your room doesn't have a Jenkins integration yet (most have): > > > - Go to the room on Gitter > > > - Click on the "settings" button next to your avatar on the top > > > right, then "Integrations". > > > - Select "Jenkins" > > > - Select the events you want to be notified of > > > - Copy the webhook URL near the bottom > > > - Create new credentials on Jenkins: > > > > > > http://ci.hibernate.org/credentials/store/system/domain/_/newCredentials > > > - In the "Kind" field, select "Secret text" > > > - Leave the "Scope" to "Global" > > > - In the "Secret" field, paste the webhook URL > > > - In the "ID" field, put "gitter-webhook-url-<ID of your room>" > > > - In the "description" field, put "Gitter webhook URL for the <ID > > > of your room> room" > > > - Click "OK" > > > - For each Jenkins job: > > > - On the job page in Jenkins, click "Configure" > > > - Select the "Job Notifications" tab near the top > > > - Click "Add endpoint" > > > - Leave the format to "JSON" and the protocol to "HTTP" > > > - Set "URL Source" to "Credentials Store" > > > - In the "URL" box, select the entry corresponding to your room, > > > which should normally appear as "Gitter webhook URL for the <ID of > > > your room> room" > > > - Click "Save" > > > > > > > > > > > > Hibernate NoORM Team > > > yoann(a)hibernate.org > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 11:40, Yoann Rodiere <yoann(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: > > > > > > > I think all day-to-day users of our chat voted. Here are the results: > > > > > > > > IRC: 4 Yes, 5 "if need be", 6 no. > > > > Slack: 5 Yes, 3 "if need be", 7 no > > > > Zulip: 5 Yes, 3 "if need be", 7 no > > > > Gitter: 10 Yes, 1 "if need be", 4 no > > > > > > > > It seems Gitter won. That's the only option with more "Yes" than "No"... > > > > It's got the most "Yes" (even counting "if need be"), and perhaps more > > > > importantly it's got the least amount of "no". > > > > > > > > To those who voted no: if you have specific concerns about Gitter, could > > > > you please mention them here? Maybe we can find solutions to some of the > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > I'll look into moving the Hibernate Search chat to Gitter and will report > > > > back on this thread. > > > > > > > > Yoann Rodière > > > > Hibernate NoORM Team > > > > yoann(a)hibernate.org > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 at 08:25, Yoann Rodiere <yoann(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: > > > > > > > >> Not everyone voted, far from it; we're missing votes from Gail, > > > >> Guillaume, Fabio, Chris, Davide, Emmanuel, Koen. So no, no consensus > > > yet. > > > >> > > > >> I sent an email to them off-list, perhaps they didn't see this thread. > > > >> > > > >> Provisional results are as follows: > > > >> > > > >> IRC: 2 Yes, 3 "if need be", 3 no > > > >> Slack: 2 Yes, 2 "if need be", 4 no > > > >> Zulip: 2 Yes, 3 "if need be", 3 no > > > >> Gitter: 6 Yes, 0 "if need be", 2 no > > > >> > > > >> So Gitter seems on the verge of winning, but apparently some people are > > > >> categorically against it, so I'd say we'll have to give them a chance to > > > >> explain why. I'll wait for everyone to answer, though, since they could > > > >> completely change the results. > > > >> > > > >> Yoann Rodière > > > >> Hibernate NoORM Team > > > >> yoann(a)hibernate.org > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 13:35, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org&gt; > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Any consensus on this yet? > > > >>> > > > >>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 5:21 AM Sanne Grinovero <sanne(a)hibernate.org&gt; > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Thanks for starting this! > > > >>>> > > > >>>> The choice of IRC is a bit special on the list as we never intended it > > > >>>> to be killed: it has been historically important and we should > > > >>>> maintain some level of reachability on it. So voting for the "IRC" > > > >>>> choice just means a preference to not use anything else on top of it, > > > >>>> while alternatively we'' be using X on top of IRC, albeit with a > > > >>>> preference to use X for team conversations. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Also good to remind: please try to be on IRC as well occasionally as > > > >>>> many in the OSS community we integrate with will reach out there. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Thanks, > > > >>>> Sanne > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 09:46, Yoann Rodiere <yoann(a)hibernate.org&gt; > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > Hi, > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > TL;DR: please vote here if you don't want to end up having to use a > > > >>>> chat > > > >>>> > tool you don't like: https://doodle.com/poll/h6scc9bsh6a4ymre > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > HipChat Cloud will stop working on February 15th, 2019 [1]. We need > > > to > > > >>>> > choose an alternative before we have our back against the wall, so > > > >>>> I'll try > > > >>>> > to resurrect the conversation. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > As a reminder, Stride is no longer an option: Atlassian cancelled > > > the > > > >>>> > project, and encourages users to migrate to Slack. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > The discussed options so far were: > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > - *Moving back to IRC*. Aye: ?; nay: ? > > > >>>> > Pros: simple as hell. > > > >>>> > Cons: basic as hell; we won't keep the chat history. > > > >>>> > - *Migrating to Slack* [6], as suggested by Atlassian [2]. Aye: > > > >>>> > Christian B; Nay: ? > > > >>>> > Pros: we will keep the chat history (I think). > > > >>>> > Cons: not open-source; desktop client consumes a lot of > > > resources. > > > >>>> > - *Migrating to Zulip* [3]. Aye: Emmanuel, Yoann. Nay: Guillaume > > > >>>> (kind > > > >>>> > of). > > > >>>> > Pros: Advanced conversation management thanks to the "topics" > > > >>>> feature. > > > >>>> > Cons: Complex to use because of the "topics" feature; we won't > > > >>>> keep the > > > >>>> > chat history (1). > > > >>>> > - *Migrating to Gitter* [5] (we'll create different rooms, > > > >>>> probably). > > > >>>> > Aye: ?, Nay: ? > > > >>>> > Pros: Users seem to actually go there, so we could have our "live > > > >>>> > support" rooms next to our "internal discussion" rooms. > > > >>>> > Cons: not open-source; we won't keep the chat history (1). > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > I created a poll based on the discussion we had on the thread > > > >>>> > "[hibernate-dev] Stride". I think everyone had the time to suggest > > > >>>> another > > > >>>> > option. > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > Please vote here and now, or remain silent forever ;): > > > >>>> > https://doodle.com/poll/h6scc9bsh6a4ymre > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > I'd suggest the following rules: if there's a single clear winner (a > > > >>>> > platform that everyone would be happy with), we'll pick that one. If > > > >>>> there > > > >>>> > are multiple clear winners, whoever does the migration work will > > > pick > > > >>>> > what's easier to set up (taking into account the various > > > >>>> integrations). > > > >>>> > Otherwise, back to discussing it on this thread... > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > (1) There seems to be some work in progress on a migration tool from > > > >>>> > HipChat to Zulip, but it doesn't seem to be ready yet [4] > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > [1] > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > https://www.atlassian.com/partnerships/slack/faq#faq-da2b66a1-53d3-4c4e-a... > > > >>>> > [2] https://www.atlassian.com/partnerships/slack/migration > > > >>>> > [3] https://hibernate.zulipchat.com/ > > > >>>> > [4] https://github.com/zulip/zulip/issues/10647 > > > >>>> > [5] https://gitter.im/hibernate/hibernate-orm > > > >>>> > [6] https://slackdemo.com/ > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > Yoann Rodière > > > >>>> > Hibernate NoORM Team > > > >>>> > yoann(a)hibernate.org > > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > > > >>>> > hibernate-dev mailing list > > > >>>> > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > > >>>> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > > >>>> > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>> hibernate-dev mailing list > > > >>>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > > >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > hibernate-dev mailing list > > > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > _______________________________________________ > > hibernate-dev mailing list > > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev