Hi Scott, all, Are there any plans to upgrade ORM in the WF 10.1 release? I somehow assumed that 10.1 would come with ORM 5.1, but it's still using 5.0.9. At least 5.0.10 would be nice if 5.1 cannot be done for some reasons. Thanks, --Gunnar _______________________________________________ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev

Hi Gail, are you sure? I'm only aware of WFLY-6930 (Upgrade Hibernate to 5.0.10) and I'm not sure if it makes it to 10.1. Then there is WFLY-6854 (Upgrade Hibernate ORM to 5.1.x) which is targeted to WildFly 11. https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WFLY-6930 https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WFLY-6854 On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Gail Badner <gbadner(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Hi Gunnar, > > 10.1 will use ORM 5.1. > > Regards, > Gail > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:23 AM, Gunnar Morling <gunnar(a)hibernate.org&gt; > wrote: > > > Hi Scott, all, > > > > Are there any plans to upgrade ORM in the WF 10.1 release? > > > > I somehow assumed that 10.1 would come with ORM 5.1, but it's still > using > > 5.0.9. At least 5.0.10 would be nice if 5.1 cannot be done for some > > reasons. > > > > Thanks, > > > > --Gunnar > > _______________________________________________ > > hibernate-dev mailing list > > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >

I've been watching this: - https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/pull/8984 And that's the reason I've been asking for a 5.1 release, as it has been blocked by issues for long. Indeed if this wasn't being tracked for 10.1 that's sad as we need WildFly releases with up to date versions of ORM to make better progress on OGM and Search, I'm sorry if this wasn't clear but the PR has been open for a while, as was the agreement among us that we'd aim to have ORM 5.1 in the next WildFly version.

I guess it wasn't clear "which" version is "next", but if we could fix this for 10.1 that would be very nice, and match the decision of the platform architects. Thanks, Sanne On 11 August 2016 at 10:18, Gail Badner <gbadner(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Ah, OK. I was confusing WildFly 10.1 with 11. I'm not sure about the > version for 10.1. > > Scott? > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:56 AM, Martin Simka <msimka(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > >> Hi Gail, >> >> are you sure? I'm only aware of WFLY-6930 (Upgrade Hibernate to 5.0.10) >> and I'm not sure if it makes it to 10.1. Then there is WFLY-6854 (Upgrade >> Hibernate ORM to 5.1.x) which is targeted to WildFly 11. >> >> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WFLY-6930 >> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WFLY-6854 >> >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Gail Badner <gbadner(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> Hi Gunnar, >>> >>> 10.1 will use ORM 5.1. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Gail >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:23 AM, Gunnar Morling <gunnar(a)hibernate.org&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Scott, all, >>>> >>>> Are there any plans to upgrade ORM in the WF 10.1 release? >>>> >>>> I somehow assumed that 10.1 would come with ORM 5.1, but it's still >>> using >>>> 5.0.9. At least 5.0.10 would be nice if 5.1 cannot be done for some >>>> reasons. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> --Gunnar >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> hibernate-dev mailing list >>>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> hibernate-dev mailing list >>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev _______________________________________________ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev

On 11 August 2016 at 15:19, Scott Marlow <smarlow(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > On 08/11/2016 06:19 AM, Sanne Grinovero wrote: >> >> I've been watching this: >> - https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/pull/8984 >> >> And that's the reason I've been asking for a 5.1 release, as it has >> been blocked by issues for long. >> >> Indeed if this wasn't being tracked for 10.1 that's sad as we need >> WildFly releases with up to date versions of ORM to make better >> progress on OGM and Search, I'm sorry if this wasn't clear but the PR >> has been open for a while, as was the agreement among us that we'd aim >> to have ORM 5.1 in the next WildFly version. > > > The WildFly master branch is now for WildFly 11. Could Search/OGM align > with WF11 instead of 10.1, as the > https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/pull/8984 is finally passing, which is a > good sign that ORM 5.1.1.Final will likely pass the WildFly test suite, and > then get merged. Hi Scott, if you could make sure that WF 10.1 had ORM 5.1.1+ that would greatly help to have Search and OGM actually align. Since that PR is working fine (and the patch looks quite simple too!) may I assume we just need to put a release together in ORM, while you hold the WF train ? :)

Thanks, Sanne > > >> >> I guess it wasn't clear "which" version is "next", but if we could fix >> this for 10.1 that would be very nice, and match the decision of the >> platform architects. >> >> Thanks, >> Sanne >> >> >> On 11 August 2016 at 10:18, Gail Badner <gbadner(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>> Ah, OK. I was confusing WildFly 10.1 with 11. I'm not sure about the >>> version for 10.1. >>> >>> Scott? >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:56 AM, Martin Simka <msimka(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Gail, >>>> >>>> are you sure? I'm only aware of WFLY-6930 (Upgrade Hibernate to 5.0.10) >>>> and I'm not sure if it makes it to 10.1. Then there is WFLY-6854 >>>> (Upgrade >>>> Hibernate ORM to 5.1.x) which is targeted to WildFly 11. >>>> >>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WFLY-6930 >>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WFLY-6854 >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Gail Badner <gbadner(a)redhat.com&gt; >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Gunnar, >>>>> >>>>> 10.1 will use ORM 5.1. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Gail >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:23 AM, Gunnar Morling <gunnar(a)hibernate.org&gt; >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Scott, all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Are there any plans to upgrade ORM in the WF 10.1 release? >>>>>> >>>>>> I somehow assumed that 10.1 would come with ORM 5.1, but it's still >>>>> >>>>> using >>>>>> >>>>>> 5.0.9. At least 5.0.10 would be nice if 5.1 cannot be done for some >>>>>> reasons. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> --Gunnar >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> hibernate-dev mailing list >>>>>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> hibernate-dev mailing list >>>>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> hibernate-dev mailing list >>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> hibernate-dev mailing list >> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >> >

Hi Scott, > As part of bringing ORM 5.1.1+ into WF 10.1 or 11, we need to first > ensure that ORM 5.1.1 is completely *compatible* with ORM 5.0.x. How does this ensuring look like? Is passing the WF test suite enough, or are there further criteria? If identifying changes to the API is what you are after, tools such as Japicmp (see https://github.com/siom79/japicmp) may help.

It would be great to have some sort of formalized guideline here, because otherwise there's potential for frustration on both sides. E.g. Sanne and me are waiting for an update, as it will make our lives for HSEARCH/OGM much easier, whereas you may feel pressurized to do some update you are not 100% comfortable about). Happy about any pointers if there are such rules already somewhere.

That said, doing the 5.1 upgrade in WF 10.1 would seem as the sensible thing to me, bringing new ORM features released quite a while ago to WF community users and allowing to hone/harden them there as needed. So I still haven't lost the hope that it might be happen :)

As a user, I'd be surprised otherwise and be wondering why I had to resort to the ORM module ZIP (see http://in.relation.to/2016/07/07/updating-hibernate-orm-in-wildfly/) instead of WF coming with the newer version OOTB. Thanks, --Gunnar 2016-08-11 17:05 GMT+02:00 Scott Marlow <smarlow(a)redhat.com <mailto:smarlow@redhat.com>>: On 08/11/2016 10:45 AM, Sanne Grinovero wrote: > On 11 August 2016 at 15:19, Scott Marlow <smarlow(a)redhat.com <mailto:smarlow@redhat.com>> wrote: >> >> On 08/11/2016 06:19 AM, Sanne Grinovero wrote: >>> >>> I've been watching this: >>> - https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/pull/8984 <https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/pull/8984> >>> >>> And that's the reason I've been asking for a 5.1 release, as it has >>> been blocked by issues for long. >>> >>> Indeed if this wasn't being tracked for 10.1 that's sad as we need >>> WildFly releases with up to date versions of ORM to make better >>> progress on OGM and Search, I'm sorry if this wasn't clear but the PR >>> has been open for a while, as was the agreement among us that we'd aim >>> to have ORM 5.1 in the next WildFly version. >> >> >> The WildFly master branch is now for WildFly 11. Could Search/OGM align >> with WF11 instead of 10.1, as the >> https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/pull/8984 <https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/pull/8984> is finally passing, which is a >> good sign that ORM 5.1.1.Final will likely pass the WildFly test suite, and >> then get merged. > > Hi Scott, > if you could make sure that WF 10.1 had ORM 5.1.1+ that would greatly > help to have Search and OGM actually align. > > Since that PR is working fine (and the patch looks quite simple too!) > may I assume we just need to put a release together in ORM, while you > hold the WF train ? :) > As part of bringing ORM 5.1.1+ into WF 10.1 or 11, we need to first ensure that ORM 5.1.1 is completely *compatible* with ORM 5.0.x. Once we know that, we should be ready for the (https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/pull/8984 <https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/pull/8984>) merge. > Thanks, > Sanne > >> >> >>> >>> I guess it wasn't clear "which" version is "next", but if we could fix >>> this for 10.1 that would be very nice, and match the decision of the >>> platform architects. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Sanne >>> >>> >>> On 11 August 2016 at 10:18, Gail Badner <gbadner(a)redhat.com <mailto:gbadner@redhat.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Ah, OK. I was confusing WildFly 10.1 with 11. I'm not sure about the >>>> version for 10.1. >>>> >>>> Scott? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:56 AM, Martin Simka <msimka(a)redhat.com <mailto:msimka@redhat.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Gail, >>>>> >>>>> are you sure? I'm only aware of WFLY-6930 (Upgrade Hibernate to 5.0.10) >>>>> and I'm not sure if it makes it to 10.1. Then there is WFLY-6854 >>>>> (Upgrade >>>>> Hibernate ORM to 5.1.x) which is targeted to WildFly 11. >>>>> >>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WFLY-6930 <https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WFLY-6930> >>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WFLY-6854 <https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WFLY-6854> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Gail Badner <gbadner(a)redhat.com <mailto:gbadner@redhat.com>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Gunnar, >>>>>> >>>>>> 10.1 will use ORM 5.1. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Gail >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:23 AM, Gunnar Morling <gunnar(a)hibernate.org <mailto:gunnar@hibernate.org>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Scott, all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are there any plans to upgrade ORM in the WF 10.1 release? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I somehow assumed that 10.1 would come with ORM 5.1, but it's still >>>>>> >>>>>> using >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5.0.9. At least 5.0.10 would be nice if 5.1 cannot be done for some >>>>>>> reasons. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --Gunnar >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> hibernate-dev mailing list >>>>>>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org> >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev <https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> hibernate-dev mailing list >>>>>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org> >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev <https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> hibernate-dev mailing list >>>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org> >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev <https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> hibernate-dev mailing list >>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org> >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev <https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev> >>> >> _______________________________________________ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev <https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev>

5.0.10 and 5.1.1 needed to be delayed while we dealt with a critical bug, HHH-10795. I am also working with John O'Hara to fix a performance regression that was introduced into 5.0.10 and, presumably, would be in 5.1.1. Another reason I've been holding off on releasing 5.1.1 was because of the failures for https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/pull/8984. It is only today that we got a clean build. The last couple of days I've been furiously backporting more bugfixes for regressions and longstanding bugs. I review everything going into 5.0 and 5.1 to reduce the risk of introducing new bugs and that takes time. I have found a couple of bugs doing this and I think this time is well spent. I ran the tck last night and it passed. I started reviewing changes using japi-compliance-checker and I need to finish that. I am on track to release 5.1.1 this week. Please be patient. Regards, Gail On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Scott Marlow <smarlow(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > ORM 5.1, has an improvement for how we interact with CDI, that I really > want to finish coding the WildFly side of, so I feel the *pain* of not > having this yet. > > On 08/11/2016 02:04 PM, Gunnar Morling wrote: > > Hi Scott, > > > >> As part of bringing ORM 5.1.1+ into WF 10.1 or 11, we need to first > >> ensure that ORM 5.1.1 is completely *compatible* with ORM 5.0.x. > > > > How does this ensuring look like? Is passing the WF test suite enough, > > or are there further criteria? If identifying changes to the API is what > > you are after, tools such as Japicmp > > (see https://github.com/siom79/japicmp) may help. > > Great tool, we are using it! :) > > > > > It would be great to have some sort of formalized guideline here, > > because otherwise there's potential for frustration on both sides. E.g. > > Sanne and me are waiting for an update, as it will make our lives for > > HSEARCH/OGM much easier, whereas you may feel pressurized to do some > > update you are not 100% comfortable about). Happy about any pointers if > > there are such rules already somewhere. > > I believe that the remaining analysis is to look through the git commits > that have been merged to the ORM 5.1.x branch, that are not already > merged to ORM 5.0.x. I believe that only the git commits that Gail > hasn't yet reviewed, will be checked. I'm not sure what the count or > complexity of those git commits are that need to be checked. I'm not > sure of what else that we can do, to prove that ORM 5.1.x is ready for > WildFly 10.1/11. > > There are guideline documents that describe the agile development > process that we are following. Send me a private email if your really > interested in reading them. > > > > > That said, doing the 5.1 upgrade in WF 10.1 would seem as the sensible > > thing to me, bringing new ORM features released quite a while ago to WF > > community users and allowing to hone/harden them there as needed. So I > > still haven't lost the hope that it might be happen :) > > We already have ORM 5.0.x as the baseline that we are hardening off of. > I'm fine with bringing ORM 5.1 in, as long as it's equally as hardened. > > > > > As a user, I'd be surprised otherwise and be wondering why I had to > > resort to the ORM module ZIP (see > > http://in.relation.to/2016/07/07/updating-hibernate-orm-in-wildfly/) > > instead of WF coming with the newer version OOTB. > > > > Thanks, > > > > --Gunnar > > > > > > 2016-08-11 17:05 GMT+02:00 Scott Marlow <smarlow(a)redhat.com > > <mailto:smarlow@redhat.com>>: > > > > > > > > On 08/11/2016 10:45 AM, Sanne Grinovero wrote: > > > On 11 August 2016 at 15:19, Scott Marlow <smarlow(a)redhat.com > <mailto:smarlow@redhat.com>> wrote: > > >> > > >> On 08/11/2016 06:19 AM, Sanne Grinovero wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I've been watching this: > > >>> - https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/pull/8984 > > <https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/pull/8984> > > >>> > > >>> And that's the reason I've been asking for a 5.1 release, as it > has > > >>> been blocked by issues for long. > > >>> > > >>> Indeed if this wasn't being tracked for 10.1 that's sad as we > need > > >>> WildFly releases with up to date versions of ORM to make better > > >>> progress on OGM and Search, I'm sorry if this wasn't clear but > the PR > > >>> has been open for a while, as was the agreement among us that > we'd aim > > >>> to have ORM 5.1 in the next WildFly version. > > >> > > >> > > >> The WildFly master branch is now for WildFly 11. Could > Search/OGM align > > >> with WF11 instead of 10.1, as the > > >> https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/pull/8984 > > <https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/pull/8984> is finally passing, > > which is a > > >> good sign that ORM 5.1.1.Final will likely pass the WildFly test > suite, and > > >> then get merged. > > > > > > Hi Scott, > > > if you could make sure that WF 10.1 had ORM 5.1.1+ that would > greatly > > > help to have Search and OGM actually align. > > > > > > Since that PR is working fine (and the patch looks quite simple > too!) > > > may I assume we just need to put a release together in ORM, while > you > > > hold the WF train ? :) > > > > > > > As part of bringing ORM 5.1.1+ into WF 10.1 or 11, we need to first > > ensure that ORM 5.1.1 is completely *compatible* with ORM 5.0.x. > Once > > we know that, we should be ready for the > > (https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/pull/8984 > > <https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/pull/8984>) merge. > > > > > Thanks, > > > Sanne > > > > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> I guess it wasn't clear "which" version is "next", but if we > > could fix > > >>> this for 10.1 that would be very nice, and match the decision > of the > > >>> platform architects. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> Sanne > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 11 August 2016 at 10:18, Gail Badner <gbadner(a)redhat.com > > <mailto:gbadner@redhat.com>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Ah, OK. I was confusing WildFly 10.1 with 11. I'm not sure > > about the > > >>>> version for 10.1. > > >>>> > > >>>> Scott? > > >>>> > > >>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:56 AM, Martin Simka > > <msimka(a)redhat.com <mailto:msimka@redhat.com>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Hi Gail, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> are you sure? I'm only aware of WFLY-6930 (Upgrade Hibernate > > to 5.0.10) > > >>>>> and I'm not sure if it makes it to 10.1. Then there is > WFLY-6854 > > >>>>> (Upgrade > > >>>>> Hibernate ORM to 5.1.x) which is targeted to WildFly 11. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WFLY-6930 > > <https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WFLY-6930> > > >>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WFLY-6854 > > <https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WFLY-6854> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Gail Badner > > <gbadner(a)redhat.com <mailto:gbadner@redhat.com>> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Hi Gunnar, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> 10.1 will use ORM 5.1. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Regards, > > >>>>>> Gail > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:23 AM, Gunnar Morling > > <gunnar(a)hibernate.org <mailto:gunnar@hibernate.org>> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Hi Scott, all, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Are there any plans to upgrade ORM in the WF 10.1 release? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I somehow assumed that 10.1 would come with ORM 5.1, but > > it's still > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> using > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 5.0.9. At least 5.0.10 would be nice if 5.1 cannot be done > > for some > > >>>>>>> reasons. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> --Gunnar > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>> hibernate-dev mailing list > > >>>>>>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org> > > >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > <https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>> hibernate-dev mailing list > > >>>>>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org> > > >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > <https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> hibernate-dev mailing list > > >>>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org> > > >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > <https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> hibernate-dev mailing list > > >>> hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jb > oss.org> > > >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > <https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev> > > >>> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > hibernate-dev mailing list > > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org > > > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > <https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev >