3:07 p.m.
Any objections to either converting to XSD completely or publishing in
both formats?
What I'd really like is to be able to parse and validate a mapping
document in separate steps. The validation would come from
javax.xml.validation package. However that package does not support
DTD, only XSD. That is because currently we do not know whether a
document we are trying to parse is a Hibernate hbm.xml document, a JPA 1
orm.xml document or a JPA 2 orm.xml document. Ideally I'd like to parse
it and apply validations, possibly based on peeking at the document.
Additionally this would allow better control over enabling/disabling
schema validation.
Anyone recommend a good DTD -> XSD tool?
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3:20 a.m.
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:07:31 +0200, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org>
wrote:
Any objections to either converting to XSD completely or publishing
in
both formats?
+1 for XSD only. Not sure if there is any use in keeping the DTD.
Anyone recommend a good DTD -> XSD tool?
Oxygen can do it. That would be my first pick to try with.
Otherwise this might help -
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1510126/free-dtd-to-xsd-conversion-uti...
--Hardy
7:20 a.m.
*If* we are going to keep both then we need to keep them in-synch and so
I'd prefer a java or command line tool that we could use to automate the
process (obviously if we drop dtd for xsd this is not a concern).
I had seen both Trang as well as the w3c tool. I guess more I was
asking if anyone knew other/better ones.
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 10:20 +0200, Hardy Ferentschik wrote:
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:07:31 +0200, Steve Ebersole
<steve(a)hibernate.org>
wrote:
> Any objections to either converting to XSD completely or publishing in
> both formats?
+1 for XSD only. Not sure if there is any use in keeping the DTD.
> Anyone recommend a good DTD -> XSD tool?
Oxygen can do it. That would be my first pick to try with.
Otherwise this might help -
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1510126/free-dtd-to-xsd-conversion-uti...
--Hardy
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9:27 a.m.
I don't vote for keeping them in sync. DTDs can't compete with the
validation of XSD. I would favor making this a 4.0 feature.
Paul
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org> wrote:
*If* we are going to keep both then we need to keep them in-synch and
so
I'd prefer a java or command line tool that we could use to automate the
process (obviously if we drop dtd for xsd this is not a concern).
I had seen both Trang as well as the w3c tool. I guess more I was
asking if anyone knew other/better ones.
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 10:20 +0200, Hardy Ferentschik wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:07:31 +0200, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Any objections to either converting to XSD completely or publishing in
> > both formats?
>
> +1 for XSD only. Not sure if there is any use in keeping the DTD.
>
> > Anyone recommend a good DTD -> XSD tool?
>
> Oxygen can do it. That would be my first pick to try with.
> Otherwise this might help -
>
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1510126/free-dtd-to-xsd-conversion-uti...
>
> --Hardy
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10:48 a.m.
Do we offer both for 3.6 to start working out any kinks in the XSD for
4? I think that seems reasonable, provided we are good about not doing
DTD changes after 3.6.0.Final.
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 09:27 -0500, Paul Benedict wrote:
I don't vote for keeping them in sync. DTDs can't compete
with the
validation of XSD. I would favor making this a 4.0 feature.
Paul
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org>
wrote:
*If* we are going to keep both then we need to keep them
in-synch and so
I'd prefer a java or command line tool that we could use to
automate the
process (obviously if we drop dtd for xsd this is not a
concern).
I had seen both Trang as well as the w3c tool. I guess more I
was
asking if anyone knew other/better ones.
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 10:20 +0200, Hardy Ferentschik wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:07:31 +0200, Steve Ebersole
<steve(a)hibernate.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Any objections to either converting to XSD completely or
publishing in
> > both formats?
>
> +1 for XSD only. Not sure if there is any use in keeping the
DTD.
>
> > Anyone recommend a good DTD -> XSD tool?
>
> Oxygen can do it. That would be my first pick to try with.
> Otherwise this might help -
>
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1510126/free-dtd-to-xsd-conversion-uti...
>
> --Hardy
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10:52 a.m.
Interesting. That is a good way to get the community testing it out. In
fact, perhaps you can label the XSD feature as "caveat emptor" (pun) until
it rolls out officially in 4.0?
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org>wrote:
Do we offer both for 3.6 to start working out any kinks in the XSD
for
4? I think that seems reasonable, provided we are good about not doing
DTD changes after 3.6.0.Final.
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 09:27 -0500, Paul Benedict wrote:
> I don't vote for keeping them in sync. DTDs can't compete with the
> validation of XSD. I would favor making this a 4.0 feature.
>
> Paul
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org>
> wrote:
> *If* we are going to keep both then we need to keep them
> in-synch and so
> I'd prefer a java or command line tool that we could use to
> automate the
> process (obviously if we drop dtd for xsd this is not a
> concern).
>
> I had seen both Trang as well as the w3c tool. I guess more I
> was
> asking if anyone knew other/better ones.
>
> On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 10:20 +0200, Hardy Ferentschik wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:07:31 +0200, Steve Ebersole
> <steve(a)hibernate.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Any objections to either converting to XSD completely or
> publishing in
> > > both formats?
> >
> > +1 for XSD only. Not sure if there is any use in keeping the
> DTD.
> >
> > > Anyone recommend a good DTD -> XSD tool?
> >
> > Oxygen can do it. That would be my first pick to try with.
> > Otherwise this might help -
> >
>
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1510126/free-dtd-to-xsd-conversion-uti...
> >
> > --Hardy
>
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6:18 p.m.
I think of it more like deprecating the DTD in favor of XSD; but I am known for unique
views on deprecation :)
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steve(a)hibernate.org
http://hibernate.orgOn Aug 20, 2010 10:52 AM, Paul Benedict
&lt;pbenedict(a)apache.org&gt; wrote:
Interesting. That is a good way to get the community testing it out. In fact, perhaps you
can label the XSD feature as "caveat emptor" (pun) until it rolls out officially
in 4.0?
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Steve Ebersole &lt;steve(a)hibernate.org&gt;
wrote:
Do we offer both for 3.6 to start working out any kinks in the XSD for
4? I think that seems reasonable, provided we are good about not doing
DTD changes after 3.6.0.Final.
On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 09:27 -0500, Paul Benedict wrote:
> I don't vote for keeping them in sync. DTDs can't compete with the
> validation of XSD. I would favor making this a 4.0 feature.
>
> Paul
>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Steve Ebersole
&lt;steve(a)hibernate.org&gt;
> wrote:
> *If* we are going to keep both then
we need to keep them
> in-synch and so
> I'd prefer a java or command line
tool that we could use to
> automate the
> process (obviously if we drop dtd for
xsd this is not a
> concern).
>
> I had seen both Trang as well as the
w3c tool. I guess more I
> was
> asking if anyone knew other/better
ones.
>
> On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 10:20 +0200,
Hardy Ferentschik wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:07:31
+0200, Steve Ebersole
> &lt;steve(a)hibernate.org&gt;
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Any objections to
either converting to XSD completely or
> publishing in
> > > both formats?
> >
> > +1 for XSD only. Not sure if
there is any use in keeping the
> DTD.
> >
> > > Anyone recommend a
good DTD -> XSD tool?
> >
> > Oxygen can do it. That would
be my first pick to try with.
> > Otherwise this might help -
> >
>
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1510126/free-dtd-to-xsd-conversion-uti...
> >
> > --Hardy
>
> --
> Steve Ebersole
&lt;steve(a)hibernate.org&gt;
> http://hibernate.org
>
>
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