I am trying to figure out how to work with an existing model. The data is in MongoDB with embedded documents. It is about patients would have sub-documents. For example. An individual patient may have multiple allergies. Also a patient has multiple medications. So it is as follows: - Patient.medications ---> multiple Medication objects So I see where you have a simple one to one. Typically perhaps you might have the medication record know that it is associated with the patient, but that is not how it is currently organized. So the question is can I write rules when patients.medications returns a set/ collection of medications associated with the patient. I want to write a rule such as "if a patient is taking medication=xxx...." Thanks for your help. Ray Hooker

Wolfgang, So in your case you were envisioning the possibility of a Takes object that matched between a particular medication and the patient. Actually we are fairly close in the case of medications. As you probably know MongoDB allows for documents. In this case, the patient’s document contains subdocuments. In the case of medications, this semantically means “as of the date of this patient document, the patient is taking the following medicine listed by the applicable code and text description”. When read from the DB, you actually have a Java object Patient (or “Record”) that has a method “medications” that returns a set of “Medication” objects. The parent knows about the medication through the set “medications”. I certainly could assert each patient/ record and for each of those assert each subdocument, inserting a key back to the parent. So the rule would need to identify, for example, any case where a particular had a medication object where the drug code matched a particular code or set of codes. Any suggestions are appreciated. Also in the example below, is “Takes” a function and what does “this” refer to? Thanks, Ray On Jan 2, 2014, at 2:01 AM, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Ideally, a relation is represented by separate objects. Then you might > have > a rule > > $p: Patient() > $p: Takes( patient == $p, $m: medication ) > Medication( this == $m ) > > and this rule will fire for each medication of the patient. > > Answering such questions without details about the actual data model > is impossible. > > -W > > On 02/01/2014, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com&gt; wrote: >> I am trying to figure out how to work with an existing model. The data >> is >> in >> MongoDB with embedded documents. It is about patients would have >> sub-documents. For example. An individual patient may have multiple >> allergies. Also a patient has multiple medications. So it is as >> follows: >> >> - Patient.medications ---> multiple Medication objects >> >> So I see where you have a simple one to one. Typically perhaps you >> might >> have the medication record know that it is associated with the patient, >> but >> that is not how it is currently organized. So the question is can I >> write >> rules when patients.medications returns a set/ collection of medications >> associated with the patient. I want to write a rule such as "if a >> patient >> is >> taking medication=xxx...." >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> Ray Hooker > _______________________________________________ > rules-users mailing list > rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users _______________________________________________ rules-users mailing list rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users

I have installed and worked with the new Guvnor interface. I am not sure how to interface with it. This may be a basic question, but I have not seen documentation of how Guvnor works exactly in version 6.0. I see that it uses a git repository and maven server, but I do not see where it actually resides or how I can access it? I need info like port, protocol, file location or something specific. I have tried to example the installation but am not sure the details. Certainly there is not a configuration panel that might indicate configured port for the maven repository, etc. A network diagram would be helpful. It is possible that I need to access the git repository or the Maven repository using Kie specific classes and functionality but then I would assume I need to give it the url/ web address of the Guvnor and way to configure that. Ray _______________________________________________ rules-users mailing list rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users

Thanks for the pointer on the docs. BTW have you seen a way to utilize more than primitive types in the Data modeler? I see where I can specify models I have already created but what about other classes such as ArrayList, etc? This is needed for one-to-many relationships between facts. For example, I have an existing model where patients have multiple medication records. I can write rules to deal with this manually (e.g., using the “from” keyword), but can I use Guvnor to specify the model as it really exists?.. which is an ArrayList type Medication? Ray On Jan 7, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Alexandre Porcelli <porcelli(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Hi, > > Here are the docs available for new Workbench: http://docs.jboss.org/drools/release/6.0.1.Final/drools-docs/html/wb.Work... > > Regards, > --- > Alexandre Porcelli > Principal Software Engineer > Red Hat Business Systems and Intelligence Group > > On Jan 7, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com&gt; wrote: > >> I have installed and worked with the new Guvnor interface. I am not sure how to interface with it. >> >> This may be a basic question, but I have not seen documentation of how Guvnor works exactly in version 6.0. I see that it uses a git repository and maven server, but I do not see where it actually resides or how I can access it? I need info like port, protocol, file location or something specific. I have tried to example the installation but am not sure the details. Certainly there is not a configuration panel that might indicate configured port for the maven repository, etc. A network diagram would be helpful. >> >> It is possible that I need to access the git repository or the Maven repository using Kie specific classes and functionality but then I would assume I need to give it the url/ web address of the Guvnor and way to configure that. >> >> >> Ray >> _______________________________________________ >> rules-users mailing list >> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users > > > _______________________________________________ > rules-users mailing list > rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users _______________________________________________ rules-users mailing list rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users

Mark, That makes sense. I added java.util.ArrayList and even saved it. I had to shutdown and restart though to get it to pop up in the Data Modeler as an option for field type. Is there a better way to refresh the list?

Ray On Jan 7, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Mark Proctor <mproctor(a)codehaus.org&gt; wrote: > If you configure the imports, for the project, then those types become available. > > Mark > On 8 Jan 2014, at 01:32, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com&gt; wrote: > >> Thanks for the pointer on the docs. BTW have you seen a way to utilize more than primitive types in the Data modeler? I see where I can specify models I have already created but what about other classes such as ArrayList, etc? This is needed for one-to-many relationships between facts. For example, I have an existing model where patients have multiple medication records. I can write rules to deal with this manually (e.g., using the “from” keyword), but can I use Guvnor to specify the model as it really exists?.. which is an ArrayList type Medication? >> >> Ray >> On Jan 7, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Alexandre Porcelli <porcelli(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Here are the docs available for new Workbench: http://docs.jboss.org/drools/release/6.0.1.Final/drools-docs/html/wb.Work... >>> >>> Regards, >>> --- >>> Alexandre Porcelli >>> Principal Software Engineer >>> Red Hat Business Systems and Intelligence Group >>> >>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> I have installed and worked with the new Guvnor interface. I am not sure how to interface with it. >>>> >>>> This may be a basic question, but I have not seen documentation of how Guvnor works exactly in version 6.0. I see that it uses a git repository and maven server, but I do not see where it actually resides or how I can access it? I need info like port, protocol, file location or something specific. I have tried to example the installation but am not sure the details. Certainly there is not a configuration panel that might indicate configured port for the maven repository, etc. A network diagram would be helpful. >>>> >>>> It is possible that I need to access the git repository or the Maven repository using Kie specific classes and functionality but then I would assume I need to give it the url/ web address of the Guvnor and way to configure that. >>>> >>>> >>>> Ray >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> rules-users mailing list >>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> rules-users mailing list >>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rules-users mailing list >> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users > > > _______________________________________________ > rules-users mailing list > rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users _______________________________________________ rules-users mailing list rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users

Mark, That makes sense. I added java.util.ArrayList and even saved it. I had to shutdown and restart though to get it to pop up in the Data Modeler as an option for field type. Is there a better way to refresh the list? Ray On Jan 7, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Mark Proctor <mproctor(a)codehaus.org&gt; wrote: > If you configure the imports, for the project, then those types become available. > > Mark > On 8 Jan 2014, at 01:32, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com&gt; wrote: > >> Thanks for the pointer on the docs. BTW have you seen a way to utilize more than primitive types in the Data modeler? I see where I can specify models I have already created but what about other classes such as ArrayList, etc? This is needed for one-to-many relationships between facts. For example, I have an existing model where patients have multiple medication records. I can write rules to deal with this manually (e.g., using the “from” keyword), but can I use Guvnor to specify the model as it really exists?.. which is an ArrayList type Medication? >> >> Ray >> On Jan 7, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Alexandre Porcelli <porcelli(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Here are the docs available for new Workbench: http://docs.jboss.org/drools/release/6.0.1.Final/drools-docs/html/wb.Work... >>> >>> Regards, >>> --- >>> Alexandre Porcelli >>> Principal Software Engineer >>> Red Hat Business Systems and Intelligence Group >>> >>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> I have installed and worked with the new Guvnor interface. I am not sure how to interface with it. >>>> >>>> This may be a basic question, but I have not seen documentation of how Guvnor works exactly in version 6.0. I see that it uses a git repository and maven server, but I do not see where it actually resides or how I can access it? I need info like port, protocol, file location or something specific. I have tried to example the installation but am not sure the details. Certainly there is not a configuration panel that might indicate configured port for the maven repository, etc. A network diagram would be helpful. >>>> >>>> It is possible that I need to access the git repository or the Maven repository using Kie specific classes and functionality but then I would assume I need to give it the url/ web address of the Guvnor and way to configure that. >>>> >>>> >>>> Ray >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> rules-users mailing list >>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> rules-users mailing list >>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rules-users mailing list >> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users > > > _______________________________________________ > rules-users mailing list > rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users _______________________________________________ rules-users mailing list rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users

I can confirm that I also have to restart the server, for import suggestions to be recognised. We’ll have a fix for this in master shortly. There won’t be a FINAL release though for maybe 6 to 10 weeks. We also found another issue with anything that extends Collections, which has already been fixed in master. Mark On 8 Jan 2014, at 16:35, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com&gt; wrote: > Mark, That makes sense. I added java.util.ArrayList and even saved it. I had to shutdown and restart though to get it to pop up in the Data Modeler as an option for field type. Is there a better way to refresh the list? > > Ray > > > On Jan 7, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Mark Proctor <mproctor(a)codehaus.org&gt; wrote: > >> If you configure the imports, for the project, then those types become available. >> >> Mark >> On 8 Jan 2014, at 01:32, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the pointer on the docs. BTW have you seen a way to utilize more than primitive types in the Data modeler? I see where I can specify models I have already created but what about other classes such as ArrayList, etc? This is needed for one-to-many relationships between facts. For example, I have an existing model where patients have multiple medication records. I can write rules to deal with this manually (e.g., using the “from” keyword), but can I use Guvnor to specify the model as it really exists?.. which is an ArrayList type Medication? >>> >>> Ray >>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Alexandre Porcelli <porcelli(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Here are the docs available for new Workbench: http://docs.jboss.org/drools/release/6.0.1.Final/drools-docs/html/wb.Work... >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> --- >>>> Alexandre Porcelli >>>> Principal Software Engineer >>>> Red Hat Business Systems and Intelligence Group >>>> >>>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have installed and worked with the new Guvnor interface. I am not sure how to interface with it. >>>>> >>>>> This may be a basic question, but I have not seen documentation of how Guvnor works exactly in version 6.0. I see that it uses a git repository and maven server, but I do not see where it actually resides or how I can access it? I need info like port, protocol, file location or something specific. I have tried to example the installation but am not sure the details. Certainly there is not a configuration panel that might indicate configured port for the maven repository, etc. A network diagram would be helpful. >>>>> >>>>> It is possible that I need to access the git repository or the Maven repository using Kie specific classes and functionality but then I would assume I need to give it the url/ web address of the Guvnor and way to configure that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ray >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> rules-users mailing list >>>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> rules-users mailing list >>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> rules-users mailing list >>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rules-users mailing list >> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users > > > _______________________________________________ > rules-users mailing list > rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users

Wolfgang, Thanks. That works nicely. I do have a followup question. I wrote the following query: rule "Find patient taking Atorvastin (Lipitor)" dialect "mvel" when $p: PatientRecord($meds: medications) MedicationRecord(getCode("RxNorm").contains("617314")) from $meds then System.out.println("Found a patient taking Lipitor: "+$p.medical_record_number); results.addResult(new Result("test",$p.medical_record_number,"Found Patient Taking Lipitor","now")); end The problem is that a patient record may have multiple times where this was prescribed. How would I change the query so that it does not repeat the find so that it is logically: “If the patient ever took Lipitor… or if there is any record of the patient taking Lipitor then flag then…” instead of flagging for each hit?? So it only flags a patient with at least one medication record indicating Lipitor… Thanks, Ray On Jan 2, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: As you describe it, here's the way to refer to a particular medication: Patient( $meds: medications ) Medication( drugCode == "55749-003-01" ) from $meds This rule determines whether the patient has this particular medication. There are other operators that might be useful: Medication( drugCode str[startsWith] "55749-003" ) from $meds Inserting the Medication objects with a backlink to the Patient can simplify rule evaluation, which may depend on the number and complexity of the rules. Compare: Patient( $meds: medications ) Medication( drugCode == "55749-003-01" ) from $meds Medication( drugCode == "55799-565-01" ) from $meds with $p: Patient() Medication( drugCode == "55749-003-01", patient == $p ) Medication( drugCode == "55799-565-01", patient == $p ) Much depends on the number of facts you'll need to process. To answer your question, "Takes" was a class name I invented to refer to the relation as an object, and "this" is Java's "this", referring to the matching object. -W On 02/01/2014, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com&gt; wrote: Wolfgang, So in your case you were envisioning the possibility of a Takes object that matched between a particular medication and the patient. Actually we are fairly close in the case of medications. As you probably know MongoDB allows for documents. In this case, the patient’s document contains subdocuments. In the case of medications, this semantically means “as of the date of this patient document, the patient is taking the following medicine listed by the applicable code and text description”. When read from the DB, you actually have a Java object Patient (or “Record”) that has a method “medications” that returns a set of “Medication” objects. The parent knows about the medication through the set “medications”. I certainly could assert each patient/ record and for each of those assert each subdocument, inserting a key back to the parent. So the rule would need to identify, for example, any case where a particular had a medication object where the drug code matched a particular code or set of codes. Any suggestions are appreciated. Also in the example below, is “Takes” a function and what does “this” refer to? Thanks, Ray On Jan 2, 2014, at 2:01 AM, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Ideally, a relation is represented by separate objects. Then you might have a rule $p: Patient() $p: Takes( patient == $p, $m: medication ) Medication( this == $m ) and this rule will fire for each medication of the patient. Answering such questions without details about the actual data model is impossible. -W On 02/01/2014, Ray Hooker <ray.hooker(a)me.com&gt; wrote: I am trying to figure out how to work with an existing model. The data is in MongoDB with embedded documents. It is about patients would have sub-documents. For example. An individual patient may have multiple allergies. Also a patient has multiple medications. So it is as follows: - Patient.medications ---> multiple Medication objects So I see where you have a simple one to one. Typically perhaps you might have the medication record know that it is associated with the patient, but that is not how it is currently organized. So the question is can I write rules when patients.medications returns a set/ collection of medications associated with the patient. I want to write a rule such as "if a patient is taking medication=xxx...." Thanks for your help. Ray Hooker _______________________________________________ rules-users mailing list rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users _______________________________________________ rules-users mailing list rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users _______________________________________________ rules-users mailing list rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users _______________________________________________ rules-users mailing list rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users