or jBPM file from drl file??? On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 7:50 PM, al so <volkswak(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Can one convert an existing drl file to a rule flow file in eclipse? > >> > _______________________________________________ rules-users mailing list rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users

in the newer version of drools we cannot create a ruleflow file..we can only create a jbpm process file are ruleflow file(.rf) and jbpm(.bpmn) related ?? -- View this message in context: http://drools.46999.n3.nabble.com/rules-users-convert-drl-file-to-rf-tp40... Sent from the Drools: User forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ rules-users mailing list rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users

can you throw me more light on why have they integrated ruleflow with prcoess. Basically, What is the relationship between rules and process..?? -- View this message in context: http://drools.46999.n3.nabble.com/rules-users-convert-drl-file-to-rf-tp40... Sent from the Drools: User forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ rules-users mailing list rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users

I have both drools and jBPM plugin installed. Where do you do that right click? Anything that is intuitive won't work in eclipse. I did the right click on drl file and didn't see any such options. On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Caillard, Quentin < quentin.caillard(a)ariadnext.com&gt; wrote: > The ruleflow file(.rf) is deprecated. You can convert your old ruleflow > (.rf) to jbpm(.bpmn) file. I did it by using the Drools plugin for Eclipse. > If you have the plugin, a simple right click should work. > > > 2012/6/29 abhinay_agarwal <abhinay_agarwal(a)infosys.com&gt; > >> in the newer version of drools we cannot create a ruleflow file..we can >> only >> create a jbpm process file >> >> are ruleflow file(.rf) and jbpm(.bpmn) related ?? >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://drools.46999.n3.nabble.com/rules-users-convert-drl-file-to-rf-tp40... >> Sent from the Drools: User forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> rules-users mailing list >> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >> > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > rules-users mailing list > rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users > > _______________________________________________ rules-users mailing list rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users

I have only drl files (rule definition files in .drl and not rule flows). I guess there should be a way to convert drl to jBPM file? Or drl to rf to jBPM? On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Caillard, Quentin < quentin.caillard(a)ariadnext.com&gt; wrote: > When i right click on the .rf file i have the option Convert to BPMN2 > process. > > > 2012/7/2 al so <volkswak(a)gmail.com&gt; > >> I have both drools and jBPM plugin installed. Where do you do that right >> click? Anything that is intuitive won't work in eclipse. I did the right >> click on drl file and didn't see any such options. >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Caillard, Quentin < >> quentin.caillard(a)ariadnext.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> The ruleflow file(.rf) is deprecated. You can convert your old ruleflow >>> (.rf) to jbpm(.bpmn) file. I did it by using the Drools plugin for Eclipse. >>> If you have the plugin, a simple right click should work. >>> >>> >>> 2012/6/29 abhinay_agarwal <abhinay_agarwal(a)infosys.com&gt; >>> >>>> in the newer version of drools we cannot create a ruleflow file..we >>>> can only >>>> create a jbpm process file >>>> >>>> are ruleflow file(.rf) and jbpm(.bpmn) related ?? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: >>>> http://drools.46999.n3.nabble.com/rules-users-convert-drl-file-to-rf-tp40... >>>> Sent from the Drools: User forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> rules-users mailing list >>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> rules-users mailing list >>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rules-users mailing list >> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >> >> > _______________________________________________ > rules-users mailing list > rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users > > _______________________________________________ rules-users mailing list rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users

Sure. All I am trying to do is to visualize the execution order of rules from drl files using whatever suitable UI tool. Looks like there is none. On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote: > Please realize that the Drools Rule Language and jBPM are complementary; > there is no way to express coded instances of either one in the language of > the other one. > -W > > > On 3 July 2012 22:04, al so <volkswak(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> I have only drl files (rule definition files in .drl and not rule >> flows). I guess there should be a way to convert drl to jBPM file? >> Or drl to rf to jBPM? >> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Caillard, Quentin < >> quentin.caillard(a)ariadnext.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> When i right click on the .rf file i have the option Convert to BPMN2 >>> process. >>> >>> >>> 2012/7/2 al so <volkswak(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> >>>> I have both drools and jBPM plugin installed. Where do you do that >>>> right click? Anything that is intuitive won't work in eclipse. I did the >>>> right click on drl file and didn't see any such options. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Caillard, Quentin < >>>> quentin.caillard(a)ariadnext.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> The ruleflow file(.rf) is deprecated. You can convert your old >>>>> ruleflow (.rf) to jbpm(.bpmn) file. I did it by using the Drools plugin for >>>>> Eclipse. If you have the plugin, a simple right click should work. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2012/6/29 abhinay_agarwal <abhinay_agarwal(a)infosys.com&gt; >>>>> >>>>>> in the newer version of drools we cannot create a ruleflow file..we >>>>>> can only >>>>>> create a jbpm process file >>>>>> >>>>>> are ruleflow file(.rf) and jbpm(.bpmn) related ?? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> View this message in context: >>>>>> http://drools.46999.n3.nabble.com/rules-users-convert-drl-file-to-rf-tp40... >>>>>> Sent from the Drools: User forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> rules-users mailing list >>>>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> rules-users mailing list >>>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> rules-users mailing list >>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> rules-users mailing list >>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rules-users mailing list >> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > rules-users mailing list > rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users > > _______________________________________________ rules-users mailing list rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users

I think that Mario Fusco is working on a metadata framework, a set of API that will allow to expose information about the rules. With that, it will be possible to build something like what you mentioned. Unfortunately, the problem is not as simple as one might think: as Wolfgang pointed out, too, there is no unique way to transform a set of rules into a graph. You may want a graph of the partial rule ordering induced by salience, but that won't help too much at runtime (for that, you may prefer a snapshot of the activations in the agenda). You may want a dependency graph of the rules, to see which one may insert (retract) facts relevant for the activation of another. You may even want a better graphical representation of the RETE network, to see where sharing kicks in. We are also planning to unify and improve the concept of *-group, so you may want to see the ordering and dependencies between the groups themselves. This is work in progress even now, any suggestion, more detailed requirement or contribution will be welcome and might speed up the implementation process. Of course, if you take the suggestion of writing your own workflow to control the rule flow, you can work around the issue, as you would be the one imposing the ordering precisely :) Best Davide Final remark: DRL rules are compiled in a RETE, which is a graph. So, although VERY fine-grained, it could be possible to view a DRL file as a graph, as well as authoring the "rules" graphically, by composing the RETE manually. There should be some rule editor+engine which takes this approach in the market, but of course this would be appropriate for very small scale rule projects. -- View this message in context: http://drools.46999.n3.nabble.com/rules-users-convert-drl-file-to-rf-tp40... Sent from the Drools: User forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ rules-users mailing list rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users

I may be wrong, but i think that drl files and jpbm are not used to achieve the same goal. Drl files to create rules and jpbm to create flows. Then i think that converting a drl file to a jbpm file makes no sense. 2012/6/29 al so <volkswak(a)gmail.com&gt; > or jBPM file from drl file??? > > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 7:50 PM, al so <volkswak(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> Can one convert an existing drl file to a rule flow file in eclipse? >> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > rules-users mailing list > rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users > > -- [image: Description : long_bleu_fdblanc2] Quentin CAILLARD *Software Engineering * _______________________________________________ rules-users mailing list rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users