Yes, I've considered using Hibernate's metadata framework, and I've reviewed the Hibernate's code back in 2004 (when I did first release of database metadator), and I did it again hours ago for v.3.3.0.SP1. The JDBC connector needs to be more dynamic than Hibernate can allow. Hibernate is tuned for ORM stuff only, and it was done for the reason. Hibernate's view of database metadata relying on the concept of org.hibernate.dialect.Dialect classes that needs to be supplied in a configuration (JPA or hibernate.cfg.xml) and/or in POJO annotations. Hibernate will know about relationships between objects only if it will be supplied as part of the mapping. It is sort of static approach (alhough it is possible to programmatically create configuration) and it mostly limited to tables to classes mapping (again, for a reason) - in other words, Hibernate is trying to see a database metadata through your eyes (mapping, a top-down approach). Loading table's data is important but it is equally important to get other database metadata. In contrast with Hibernate, the database metadator relying on JDBC metadata provided from connection to dynamically get all neccessary info - and it is more comprehensive - everything that java.sql.DatabaseMetaData provides can be extracted using database metadator - tables, views, indexes, stored procedures, database capabilities (a bottom-up approach). The JDBC connector needs only database connection URL/user info or Datasource name from JNDI to get all metadata, and it can drive from there. I was thinking about similar way (I'm talking about concept, not the UI view) like Aqua Data Studio does it - http://www.aquafold.com. The dna-common-jdbc already has most of the logic needed - we just need a glue for a request processor implementation. BTW, the dna-common-jdbc extracts table's metadata in the same way like org.hibernate.tool.hbm2ddl. IMO, it is possible to use both in the same project - for example to get metadata - use dna-common-jdbc, to issue datbase update statements use Hibernate. But again, it's not difficult to execute "select" statement based on table name without Hibernate. Again, don't get me wrong - Hibernate is extremely useful when it comes to objects mapping to tables and persistent operations against defined POJO model (in fact, I'm using the Hibernate 3 for my current projects, and very happy with it). But when it comes to something very dynamic like federated access to databases where we're discovering models by traversing graphs - we need something more than that, and database metadator classes can provide that level of flexibility. Best regards, Sergiy ________________________________ From: &quot;dna-dev-request(a)lists.jboss.org&quot; <dna-dev-request(a)lists.jboss.org&gt; To: dna-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Sent: Tuesday, 9 December, 2008 3:20:50 AM Subject: dna-dev Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 Send dna-dev mailing list submissions to dna-dev(a)lists.jboss.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/dna-dev or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to dna-dev-request(a)lists.jboss.org You can reach the person managing the list at dna-dev-owner(a)lists.jboss.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of dna-dev digest..." Today's Topics: 1. FYI: Apache Jackrabbit v. 1.5.0 has been released (Sergey Litsenko) 2. JDBC metadata connector (Randall Hauch) 3. Build failed in Hudson: DNA continuous on JDK1.5 ? JBoss DNA JDBC Common model #393 (jboss-qa-internal(a)redhat.com) 4. Build failed in Hudson: DNA continuous on JDK1.5 ? JBoss DNA JDBC Common model #394 (jboss-qa-internal(a)redhat.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:24:23 -0800 (PST) From: Sergey Litsenko <litsenko_sergey(a)yahoo.com&gt; Subject: [dna-dev] FYI: Apache Jackrabbit v. 1.5.0 has been released To: dna-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Message-ID: <357562.58665.qm(a)web50510.mail.re2.yahoo.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" IMO, The most notable changes are: 1) development preview: JSR 283 features (org.apache.jackrabbit.api.jsr283) 2) jackrabbit-jcr-benchmark component (depends on javax.jcr and on jackrabbit-jcr-tests - JCR API test cases designed for testing the compliance of an implementation.) Speaking of reusability the jackrabbit-webdav module can be reused for https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/DNA-190 Support accessing repository through WebDAV. It depends on small part of jackrabbit-jcr-commons only - org.apache.jackrabbit.commons.xml.SerializingContentHandler to generate XML output. Regards, Sergiy ________________________________ From: &quot;dna-dev-request(a)lists.jboss.org&quot; <dna-dev-request(a)lists.jboss.org&gt; To: dna-dev(a)lists.jboss.org Sent: Saturday, 6 December, 2008 5:56:37 AM Subject: dna-dev Digest, Vol 9, Issue 6 Send dna-dev mailing list submissions to dna-dev(a)lists.jboss.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/dna-dev or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to dna-dev-request(a)lists.jboss.org You can reach the person managing the list at dna-dev-owner(a)lists.jboss.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of dna-dev digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Build failed in Hudson: DNA continuous on JDK1.5 ? JBoss DNA Connector to SVN #388 (jboss-qa-internal(a)redhat.com) 2. 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JBoss DNA Connector to SVN #389 To: dna-dev(a)lists.jboss.org, rhauch(a)gmail.com Message-ID: <2103588601.13301228493229923.JavaMail.hudson(a)hudson1.qa.atl2.redhat.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii See http://hudson.qa.jboss.com/hudson/job/DNA%20continuous%20on%20JDK1.5/org.... ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ dna-dev mailing list dna-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/dna-dev End of dna-dev Digest, Vol 9, Issue 6 ************************************* Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.jboss.org/pipermail/dna-dev/attachments/20081207/9e8fe034/at... ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:35:29 -0600 From: Randall Hauch <rhauch(a)redhat.com&gt; Subject: [dna-dev] JDBC metadata connector To: JBoss DNA <dna-dev(a)lists.jboss.org&gt; Message-ID: <C06A61F8-ABCA-46CE-8FA2-91CE6BAED768(a)redhat.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Sergiy, Have you considered using Hibernate's metadata framework? Considering that Hibernate has verified and tested support for 25 database management systems, it may very well be worth our while to simply reuse what they have for extracting metadata. I would think this approach might offer the broadest coverage with a very small amount of simple code. Basically, we'd just need to get the list of tables through JDBC metadata, and then we'd be able to call Hibernate's framework to load each table (which already handles all the foreign key functionality). Thoughts? Best regards, Randall ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 11:01:10 -0500 (EST) From: jboss-qa-internal(a)redhat.com Subject: [dna-dev] Build failed in Hudson: DNA continuous on JDK1.5 ? JBoss DNA JDBC Common model #393 To: dna-dev(a)lists.jboss.org, rhauch(a)gmail.com Message-ID: <1486165683.31228752070403.JavaMail.hudson(a)hudson1.qa.atl2.redhat.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii See http://hudson.qa.jboss.com/hudson/job/DNA%20continuous%20on%20JDK1.5/org.... ------------------------------------------ [INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [INFO] Building JBoss DNA JDBC Common model [INFO] task-segment: [clean, package] [INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [INFO] [clean:clean] [INFO] [resources:resources] [INFO] Using default encoding to copy filtered resources. 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