Not everyone voted, far from it; we're missing votes from Gail, Guillaume,
Fabio, Chris, Davide, Emmanuel, Koen. So no, no consensus yet.
I sent an email to them off-list, perhaps they didn't see this thread.
Provisional results are as follows:
IRC: 2 Yes, 3 "if need be", 3 no
Slack: 2 Yes, 2 "if need be", 4 no
Zulip: 2 Yes, 3 "if need be", 3 no
Gitter: 6 Yes, 0 "if need be", 2 no
So Gitter seems on the verge of winning, but apparently some people are
categorically against it, so I'd say we'll have to give them a chance to
explain why. I'll wait for everyone to answer, though, since they could
completely change the results.
Hibernate NoORM Team
On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 13:35, Steve Ebersole <steve(a)hibernate.org> wrote:
Any consensus on this yet?
On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 5:21 AM Sanne Grinovero <sanne(a)hibernate.org>
> Thanks for starting this!
> The choice of IRC is a bit special on the list as we never intended it
> to be killed: it has been historically important and we should
> maintain some level of reachability on it. So voting for the "IRC"
> choice just means a preference to not use anything else on top of it,
> while alternatively we'' be using X on top of IRC, albeit with a
> preference to use X for team conversations.
> Also good to remind: please try to be on IRC as well occasionally as
> many in the OSS community we integrate with will reach out there.
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 09:46, Yoann Rodiere <yoann(a)hibernate.org> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > TL;DR: please vote here if you don't want to end up having to use a chat
> > tool you don't like: https://doodle.com/poll/h6scc9bsh6a4ymre
> > HipChat Cloud will stop working on February 15th, 2019 . We need to
> > choose an alternative before we have our back against the wall, so I'll
> > to resurrect the conversation.
> > As a reminder, Stride is no longer an option: Atlassian cancelled the
> > project, and encourages users to migrate to Slack.
> > The discussed options so far were:
> > - *Moving back to IRC*. Aye: ?; nay: ?
> > Pros: simple as hell.
> > Cons: basic as hell; we won't keep the chat history.
> > - *Migrating to Slack* , as suggested by Atlassian . Aye:
> > Christian B; Nay: ?
> > Pros: we will keep the chat history (I think).
> > Cons: not open-source; desktop client consumes a lot of resources.
> > - *Migrating to Zulip* . Aye: Emmanuel, Yoann. Nay: Guillaume
> > of).
> > Pros: Advanced conversation management thanks to the "topics"
> > Cons: Complex to use because of the "topics" feature; we won't
> > chat history (1).
> > - *Migrating to Gitter*  (we'll create different rooms, probably).
> > Aye: ?, Nay: ?
> > Pros: Users seem to actually go there, so we could have our "live
> > support" rooms next to our "internal discussion" rooms.
> > Cons: not open-source; we won't keep the chat history (1).
> > I created a poll based on the discussion we had on the thread
> > "[hibernate-dev] Stride". I think everyone had the time to suggest
> > option.
> > Please vote here and now, or remain silent forever ;):
> > https://doodle.com/poll/h6scc9bsh6a4ymre
> > I'd suggest the following rules: if there's a single clear winner (a
> > platform that everyone would be happy with), we'll pick that one. If
> > are multiple clear winners, whoever does the migration work will pick
> > what's easier to set up (taking into account the various integrations).
> > Otherwise, back to discussing it on this thread...
> > (1) There seems to be some work in progress on a migration tool from
> > HipChat to Zulip, but it doesn't seem to be ready yet 
> > 
> >  https://www.atlassian.com/partnerships/slack/migration
> >  https://hibernate.zulipchat.com/
> >  https://github.com/zulip/zulip/issues/10647
> >  https://gitter.im/hibernate/hibernate-orm
> >  https://slackdemo.com/
> > Yoann Rodière
> > Hibernate NoORM Team
> > yoann(a)hibernate.org
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