Some observations on this thread: 1. You do not need m2eclipse. /trunk and /Branch_3_3 both use Maven 2 and will build straight away with "mvn compile". 2. You can generate Eclipse or IDEA project files from the command line in the standard Maven way (mvn eclipse:eclipse or mvn idea:idea) and then import the projects. I understand that IDEA reads Maven metadata natively but I cannot speak to that. 3. Only committers are allowed to ... commit. This is what the svn.jboss.org server is for. anonsvn.jboss.org is a replica with read-only privileges. Use this for now. You are free to open JIRA tickets and attach patch files which will be reviewed by Hibernate committers and possibly committed in a future release. 4. Yes, Hibernate is complicated. It is not a trivial project to jump into head-first. So please understand that there are many ways to contribute: * Helping on the forums * Hanging around in IRC to participate/answer questions * Improving the wiki * Filing JIRA issues for bugs or attaching test cases that are required Happy Hibernating, Chris joy deep wrote: > Thanks soo much , I was by the side of the ocean no idea about depth . > Are only JBoss people allowed to make changes !!! > > > Thanks and Regards > Joydeep Bhattacharjee > > > --- On *Tue, 14/4/09, Elhanan Maayan /&lt;elh.mailgate(a)gmail.com&gt;/* wrote: > > > From: Elhanan Maayan <elh.mailgate(a)gmail.com&gt; > Subject: Re: [hibernate-dev] want to join hibernate development > community > To: "joy deep" <bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in&gt; > Cc: "Peter Harrison" <peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz&gt;, > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 6:38 PM > > i've started a small blog http://osventure.wordpress.com/ about my > experiences with open source, documenting my attempts. > please note that you will need m2eclipse plugin to download the > code, as the svn repo is not in eclipse project. > you will then need to change your .settings.xml file for maven in > ~/m2 direcotry for jboss plugins > also after you downloaded the code you will encounter huge amount > of > compiler errors you will need to the following: > 1. run mvn install on the pom parent - to generate some antlr files > that were not generated during the initial load > 2. change hibernate-core project compiler settings to : > generated .class file compatibility to 1.4, source > compatibility : 1.4 > 3. on hibernate-common-annotations project change the compiler > error/warnings , turn the forbidden reference (access rules) to > warning instead of error. > good luck getting your feet, personally i feel somewhat drowning > when i'm trying to figure out this bug : > http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3856 > personally i have no idea how anyone outside jboss can even begin > to > start modify the code without some white papers or explanation on > the internal structure of hibernate. > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:05 AM, joy deep <bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in > </mc/compose?to=bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in&gt;&gt; wrote: > > Hi, > Is there any SVN repository from where I can download the > source codes, and set up my project in eclipse .Can you also > give the Bugzilla link for hibernate.I want to get my feet wet > with the code soon . Thanks for replying. > > > Thanks and Regards > Joydeep Bhattacharjee > > > --- On *Tue, 14/4/09, Peter Harrison > /&lt;peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz > </mc/compose?to=peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz&gt;&gt;/* wrote: > > > From: Peter Harrison <peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz > </mc/compose?to=peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz&gt;&gt; > Subject: Re: [hibernate-dev] want to join hibernate > development community > To: bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in </mc/compose?to=bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in&gt; > Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 5:02 AM > > The ideal way to get involved is to download the source and > get familiar with it first - if you have not already. I am > here because I made some modifications to hibernate for my > own project and want to contribute back. The best way to > start is to look at existing bug reports, write a patch or > two and attach them to the ticket. Of course, I'm in a > similar boat as you, in that I'm not an active committer > right now. I'm personally looking at issues which affect me > - aka I don't want to be committing code for things that I > am not having practical use for. > > 2009/4/12 <bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in > <http://mc/compose?to=bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>> > > Hi All, > > I am new to hibernate development community though > I have been using the the product for some time now , I > would like to be a part of this wonderful product how > can I get on with it . > Any help in this regard will be highly appreciated. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. > < > http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_messenger_6/*http://messenger.yahoo.com/in... > > > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > </mc/compose?to=hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org&gt; > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab. < > http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_dbid_9/*http://in.promos.yahoo.com/address > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > _______________________________________________ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev

i never thought hibernate was simple, my problem is that i don't see how > anyone outside jboss personal can actually create fixes (patches or commits) > without internal overview of hibernate. and jumping head first is actually > what a new developer in jboss would need to do, even if he did had prior > usage of hibernate. so either there are white papers kept in jboss for > their use only , or the information is pass down orally by a senior > developer. > There are no internal secret jboss documents - all the information is public. Many people are creating patches to hibernate in various areas by simply reading the code that is having a problem and fix it - of course for more detailed hardcore bugs more info is needed, but no written documentation would help you there - you would still need to look at the code to learn it. btw. I did not work for JBoss when I started contribute to Hibernate, and there are non-JBoss committers today too - the right to commit is earned by showing skill and drive; not by getting hired. to give an example, we have a developer with a 7 year experience in java > j2ee, working on an undocumented homegrown framework with no internal > overview documentation, and only oral info passed from previous developer, > and that's not nearly enough as fixes usually break something else. > Look at the unittests, if you break them you know you messed up - if they pass the chance of you having messed up is less ;) /max > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Chris Bredesen <cbredesen(a)redhat.com&lt;mailto: > cbredesen(a)redhat.com&gt;&gt; wrote: > > Some observations on this thread: > > 1. You do not need m2eclipse. /trunk and /Branch_3_3 both use > Maven 2 and will build straight away with "mvn compile". > > 2. You can generate Eclipse or IDEA project files from the command > line in the standard Maven way (mvn eclipse:eclipse or mvn > idea:idea) and then import the projects. I understand that IDEA > reads Maven metadata natively but I cannot speak to that. > > 3. Only committers are allowed to ... commit. This is what the > svn.jboss.org <http://svn.jboss.org/> server is for. > anonsvn.jboss.org <http://anonsvn.jboss.org/> is a replica with > read-only privileges. Use this for now. You are free to open > JIRA tickets and attach patch files which will be reviewed by > Hibernate committers and possibly committed in a future release. > > 4. Yes, Hibernate is complicated. It is not a trivial project to > jump into head-first. So please understand that there are many > ways to contribute: > > * Helping on the forums > * Hanging around in IRC to participate/answer questions > * Improving the wiki > * Filing JIRA issues for bugs or attaching test cases that are > required > > Happy Hibernating, > > Chris > > joy deep wrote: > > Thanks soo much , I was by the side of the ocean no idea about > depth . > Are only JBoss people allowed to make changes !!! > > > Thanks and Regards > Joydeep Bhattacharjee > > > --- On *Tue, 14/4/09, Elhanan Maayan /&lt;elh.mailgate(a)gmail.com > <mailto:elh.mailgate@gmail.com>>/* wrote: > > > From: Elhanan Maayan <elh.mailgate(a)gmail.com > <mailto:elh.mailgate@gmail.com>> > Subject: Re: [hibernate-dev] want to join hibernate development > community > To: "joy deep" <bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in > <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>> > Cc: "Peter Harrison" <peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz>>, > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org> > > Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 6:38 PM > > i've started a small blog http://osventure.wordpress.com/ > about my > experiences with open source, documenting my attempts. > please note that you will need m2eclipse plugin to > download the > code, as the svn repo is not in eclipse project. > you will then need to change your .settings.xml file for > maven in > ~/m2 direcotry for jboss plugins > also after you downloaded the code you will encounter > huge amount of > compiler errors you will need to the following: > 1. run mvn install on the pom parent - to generate some > antlr files > that were not generated during the initial load > 2. change hibernate-core project compiler settings to : > generated .class file compatibility to 1.4, source > compatibility : 1.4 > 3. on hibernate-common-annotations project change the compiler > error/warnings , turn the forbidden reference (access rules) to > warning instead of error. > good luck getting your feet, personally i feel somewhat > drowning > when i'm trying to figure out this bug : > http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3856 > personally i have no idea how anyone outside jboss can > even begin to > start modify the code without some white papers or > explanation on > the internal structure of hibernate. > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:05 AM, joy deep > <bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in> > </mc/compose?to=bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in > <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>>> wrote: > > Hi, > Is there any SVN repository from where I can > download the > source codes, and set up my project in eclipse .Can you > also > give the Bugzilla link for hibernate.I want to get my > feet wet > with the code soon . Thanks for replying. > > > Thanks and Regards > Joydeep Bhattacharjee > > > --- On *Tue, 14/4/09, Peter Harrison > /&lt;peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz> > </mc/compose?to=peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz>>>/* wrote: > > > From: Peter Harrison > <peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz> > </mc/compose?to=peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz>>> > > Subject: Re: [hibernate-dev] want to join hibernate > development community > To: bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in > <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in> > </mc/compose?to=bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>> > > Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 5:02 AM > > The ideal way to get involved is to download the > source and > get familiar with it first - if you have not > already. I am > here because I made some modifications to hibernate > for my > own project and want to contribute back. The best > way to > start is to look at existing bug reports, write a > patch or > two and attach them to the ticket. Of course, I'm in a > similar boat as you, in that I'm not an active > committer > right now. I'm personally looking at issues which > affect me > - aka I don't want to be committing code for things > that I > am not having practical use for. > > 2009/4/12 <bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in > <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in> > <http://mc/compose?to=bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>> > > > Hi All, > > I am new to hibernate development > community though > I have been using the the product for some time > now , I > would like to be a part of this wonderful > product how > can I get on with it . > Any help in this regard will be highly appreciated. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite > them now. > < > http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_messenger_6/*http://messenger.yahoo.com/in... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org> > </mc/compose?to=hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org>> > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab. > < > http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_dbid_9/*http://in.promos.yahoo.com/address > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > >

Elhanan Maayan wrote: > > "looking at the code which has a problem and fix it" sounds so simple :), > it did sound simple, until i got to working on a bug with sql generation and > had huge amount of time figuring out what went wrong, even now, after i > found the bug, i don't know if fixing it requires major refactoring or is it > something simpler then i'm missing. > > Your problem is probably not the first thing I would try and grasp in Hibernate - it's probably the most complex part of hibernate; but don't let that scare you. > > yes, i know about the unitests, they scared me at first, when i first run > them after the initial download and saw failures, but i guess i didn't read > the results correctly because the hibernate-core project test went ok. > > Speak up if you got questions about them :) /max > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen < > max.andersen(a)redhat.com <mailto:max.andersen@redhat.com>> wrote: > > > i never thought hibernate was simple, my problem is that i > don't see how anyone outside jboss personal can actually > create fixes (patches or commits) without internal overview of > hibernate. and jumping head first is actually what a new > developer in jboss would need to do, even if he did had prior > usage of hibernate. so either there are white papers kept in > jboss for their use only , or the information is pass down > orally by a senior developer. > > There are no internal secret jboss documents - all the information > is public. Many people are creating patches to hibernate in > various areas by simply reading the code that is having a problem > and fix it - of course for more detailed hardcore bugs more info > is needed, but no written documentation would help you there - you > would still need to look at the code to learn it. > > btw. I did not work for JBoss when I started contribute to > Hibernate, and there are non-JBoss committers today too - the > right to commit is earned by showing skill and drive; not by > getting hired. > > > to give an example, we have a developer with a 7 year > experience in java j2ee, working on an undocumented homegrown > framework with no internal overview documentation, and only > oral info passed from previous developer, and that's not > nearly enough as fixes usually break something else. > > Look at the unittests, if you break them you know you messed up - > if they pass the chance of you having messed up is less ;) > > /max > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Chris Bredesen > <cbredesen(a)redhat.com <mailto:cbredesen@redhat.com> > <mailto:cbredesen@redhat.com <mailto:cbredesen@redhat.com>>> > wrote: > > Some observations on this thread: > > 1. You do not need m2eclipse. /trunk and /Branch_3_3 both use > Maven 2 and will build straight away with "mvn compile". > > 2. You can generate Eclipse or IDEA project files from the > command > line in the standard Maven way (mvn eclipse:eclipse or mvn > idea:idea) and then import the projects. I understand that > IDEA > reads Maven metadata natively but I cannot speak to that. > > 3. Only committers are allowed to ... commit. This is what the > svn.jboss.org <http://svn.jboss.org/> <http://svn.jboss.org/> > > server is for. > anonsvn.jboss.org <http://anonsvn.jboss.org/> > <http://anonsvn.jboss.org/> is a replica with > > read-only privileges. Use this for now. You are free to open > JIRA tickets and attach patch files which will be reviewed by > Hibernate committers and possibly committed in a future > release. > > 4. Yes, Hibernate is complicated. It is not a trivial > project to > jump into head-first. So please understand that there are many > ways to contribute: > > * Helping on the forums > * Hanging around in IRC to participate/answer questions > * Improving the wiki > * Filing JIRA issues for bugs or attaching test cases that are > required > > Happy Hibernating, > > Chris > > joy deep wrote: > > Thanks soo much , I was by the side of the ocean no > idea about > depth . > Are only JBoss people allowed to make changes !!! > > > Thanks and Regards > Joydeep Bhattacharjee > > > --- On *Tue, 14/4/09, Elhanan Maayan > /&lt;elh.mailgate(a)gmail.com <mailto:elh.mailgate@gmail.com> > <mailto:elh.mailgate@gmail.com > <mailto:elh.mailgate@gmail.com>>>/* wrote: > > > From: Elhanan Maayan <elh.mailgate(a)gmail.com > <mailto:elh.mailgate@gmail.com> > <mailto:elh.mailgate@gmail.com <mailto:elh.mailgate@gmail.com>>> > > Subject: Re: [hibernate-dev] want to join hibernate > development > community > To: "joy deep" <bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in > <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in> > <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>>> > > > Cc: "Peter Harrison" > <peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz> > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz>>>, > > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org> > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org>> > > Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 6:38 PM > > i've started a small blog > http://osventure.wordpress.com/ > about my > experiences with open source, documenting my attempts. > please note that you will need m2eclipse plugin to > download the > code, as the svn repo is not in eclipse project. > you will then need to change your .settings.xml file for > maven in > ~/m2 direcotry for jboss plugins > also after you downloaded the code you will > encounter > huge amount of > compiler errors you will need to the following: > 1. run mvn install on the pom parent - to > generate some > antlr files > that were not generated during the initial load > 2. change hibernate-core project compiler settings to : > generated .class file compatibility to 1.4, > source > compatibility : 1.4 > 3. on hibernate-common-annotations project change > the compiler > error/warnings , turn the forbidden reference > (access rules) to > warning instead of error. > good luck getting your feet, personally i feel > somewhat > drowning > when i'm trying to figure out this bug : > http://opensource.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH-3856 > personally i have no idea how anyone outside > jboss can > even begin to > start modify the code without some white papers or > explanation on > the internal structure of hibernate. > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:05 AM, joy deep > <bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in> > <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>> > > </mc/compose?to=bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in> > <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>>>> wrote: > > Hi, > Is there any SVN repository from where I can > download the > source codes, and set up my project in eclipse > .Can you > also > give the Bugzilla link for hibernate.I want to > get my > feet wet > with the code soon . Thanks for replying. > > > Thanks and Regards > Joydeep Bhattacharjee > > > --- On *Tue, 14/4/09, Peter Harrison > /&lt;peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz> > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz>> > > </mc/compose?to=peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz> > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz>>>>/* wrote: > > > From: Peter Harrison > <peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz> > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz>> > > </mc/compose?to=peter.harrison(a)methodmaker.co.nz > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz> > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz > <mailto:peter.harrison@methodmaker.co.nz>>>> > > > Subject: Re: [hibernate-dev] want to join > hibernate > development community > To: bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in > <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in> > <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>> > </mc/compose?to=bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in > <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in> <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in > > <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>>> > > > Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 5:02 AM > > The ideal way to get involved is to download the > source and > get familiar with it first - if you have not > already. I am > here because I made some modifications to > hibernate > for my > own project and want to contribute back. The > best > way to > start is to look at existing bug reports, > write a > patch or > two and attach them to the ticket. Of > course, I'm in a > similar boat as you, in that I'm not an active > committer > right now. I'm personally looking at issues > which > affect me > - aka I don't want to be committing code for > things > that I > am not having practical use for. > > 2009/4/12 <bha_joy(a)yahoo.co.in > <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in> > <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in <mailto:bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>> > > <http://mc/compose?to=bha_joy@yahoo.co.in>> > > > Hi All, > > I am new to hibernate development > community though > I have been using the the product for > some time > now , I > would like to be a part of this wonderful > product how > can I get on with it . > Any help in this regard will be highly > appreciated. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite > them now. > < > http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_messenger_6/*http://messenger.yahoo.com/in... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org> > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org>> > > </mc/compose?to=hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org> > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org>>> > > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others > grab. > < > http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_dbid_9/*http://in.promos.yahoo.com/address > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org> > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org>> > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org> > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org>> > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list > hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > <mailto:hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev > > >