Hey, Ah, this again. We've already looked into it. Last time we did, we got bug reports because it broke legacy applications whose XML parser will automatically fetch the DTD from hibernate.org on startup, and does not handle redirection or HTTPS (I don't know which exactly). We cannot do this redirection on a per-page basis (to exclude /dtd/) because we're using GitHub pages and the redirection setting is global. So right now, we could only do this by moving away from GitHub pages. And then we'd probably need some cache in front of our server. Long story short, nobody had time to look into this so far. Yoann Rodière Hibernate Team yoann(a)hibernate.org On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 17:23, Gunnar Morling <gunnar(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote:

+1 I think we need to move off github pages; it's great for simple projects but it's not flexible enough for us. On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 at 08:55, Gunnar Morling <gunnar(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: > > > it broke legacy applications whose XML parser will automatically fetch > the DTD from hibernate.org on startup, > > Gasp, I see. They shouldn't really be fetching that file in the first > place, but I see how you don't want to break those consumers. > > You might do it perhaps by announcing a transition date in a few months > (e.g. 2020/03/31), giving people time to upgrade. I cannot quantify the SEO > impact of this, but I suppose it's only getting worse. Tough choice :( > > --Gunnar > > > Am Mo., 23. Nov. 2020 um 17:34 Uhr schrieb Yoann Rodiere < > yoann(a)hibernate.org&gt;: > > > Hey, > > > > Ah, this again. > > > > We've already looked into it. Last time we did, we got bug reports because > > it broke legacy applications whose XML parser will automatically fetch the > > DTD from hibernate.org on startup, and does not handle redirection or > > HTTPS (I don't know which exactly). > > > > We cannot do this redirection on a per-page basis (to exclude /dtd/) > > because we're using GitHub pages and the redirection setting is global. > > > > So right now, we could only do this by moving away from GitHub pages. And > > then we'd probably need some cache in front of our server. > > > > Long story short, nobody had time to look into this so far. > > > > Yoann Rodière > > Hibernate Team > > yoann(a)hibernate.org > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 17:23, Gunnar Morling <gunnar(a)hibernate.org&gt; wrote: > > > >> Hey all, > >> > >> I just noticed that visiting http://hibernate.org/ (i.e. not http*s*) > >> will > >> not automatically upgrade you to HTTPS, but leave you with that ugly > >> unsecure icon in the browser address bar. It's also what you get when > >> simply typing hibernate.org (i.e. 99% of users). > >> > >> As search engines tend to penalize non-HTTPS these days, I'd suggest to > >> look into automatically upgrading if possible. > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> --Gunnar > >> _______________________________________________ > >> hibernate-dev mailing list -- hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > >> To unsubscribe send an email to hibernate-dev-leave(a)lists.jboss.org > >> %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > > > > _______________________________________________ > hibernate-dev mailing list -- hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > To unsubscribe send an email to hibernate-dev-leave(a)lists.jboss.org > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s

Sure, we're in control of the DNS. On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 at 12:13, Max Rydahl Andersen <manderse(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > can you control the dns ? i.e. for jbang.dev I moved to cloud flare for > dns to let me do things GitHub pages and hover.com didn't support doing. > > cloudflare seem to have more fine grained control options. > > /max > > > +1 > > > > I think we need to move off github pages; it's great for simple > > projects but it's not flexible enough for us. > > > > On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 at 08:55, Gunnar Morling <gunnar(a)hibernate.org&gt; > > wrote: > >> > >>> it broke legacy applications whose XML parser will automatically > >>> fetch > >> the DTD from hibernate.org on startup, > >> > >> Gasp, I see. They shouldn't really be fetching that file in the first > >> place, but I see how you don't want to break those consumers. > >> > >> You might do it perhaps by announcing a transition date in a few > >> months > >> (e.g. 2020/03/31), giving people time to upgrade. I cannot quantify > >> the SEO > >> impact of this, but I suppose it's only getting worse. Tough choice > >> :( > >> > >> --Gunnar > >> > >> > >> Am Mo., 23. Nov. 2020 um 17:34 Uhr schrieb Yoann Rodiere < > >> yoann(a)hibernate.org&gt;: > >> > >>> Hey, > >>> > >>> Ah, this again. > >>> > >>> We've already looked into it. Last time we did, we got bug reports > >>> because > >>> it broke legacy applications whose XML parser will automatically > >>> fetch the > >>> DTD from hibernate.org on startup, and does not handle redirection > >>> or > >>> HTTPS (I don't know which exactly). > >>> > >>> We cannot do this redirection on a per-page basis (to exclude /dtd/) > >>> because we're using GitHub pages and the redirection setting is > >>> global. > >>> > >>> So right now, we could only do this by moving away from GitHub > >>> pages. And > >>> then we'd probably need some cache in front of our server. > >>> > >>> Long story short, nobody had time to look into this so far. > >>> > >>> Yoann Rodière > >>> Hibernate Team > >>> yoann(a)hibernate.org > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 17:23, Gunnar Morling <gunnar(a)hibernate.org&gt; > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hey all, > >>>> > >>>> I just noticed that visiting http://hibernate.org/ (i.e. not > >>>> http*s*) > >>>> will > >>>> not automatically upgrade you to HTTPS, but leave you with that > >>>> ugly > >>>> unsecure icon in the browser address bar. It's also what you get > >>>> when > >>>> simply typing hibernate.org (i.e. 99% of users). > >>>> > >>>> As search engines tend to penalize non-HTTPS these days, I'd > >>>> suggest to > >>>> look into automatically upgrading if possible. > >>>> > >>>> Best, > >>>> > >>>> --Gunnar > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> hibernate-dev mailing list -- hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to hibernate-dev-leave(a)lists.jboss.org > >>>> %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> hibernate-dev mailing list -- hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > >> To unsubscribe send an email to hibernate-dev-leave(a)lists.jboss.org > >> %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > _______________________________________________ > > hibernate-dev mailing list -- hibernate-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to hibernate-dev-leave(a)lists.jboss.org > > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > /max > https://xam.dk/about