4:22 a.m.
Hi Shane,
Your vision is pretty cool, but I'm not sure to understand your means to achieve it.
Do you want to develop the platform from scratch on GAE or use an existing collaborative
plateform ?
I love the idea of using Seam and java EE to create such a platform (I could see a lot of
project were I could reuse it ;-) ) for this university but don't you think it's a
very big project and that it's very similar with the Seam Wiki example / project that
host seamframework.org and in.relation.to today ?
IMHO to be realistic and result focus we should start on an existing platform. Either with
a web standard platform that will not be in Java (wordpress, drupal, etc...) or better
with a solution based on Java like jives or even better exo-platform (built on top of
gatein portal). An other solution would be to port Seam Wiki from Seam 2 to Seam 3 and
make it evolves t meet our needs...
Concerning the cloud platform, I'm not very found of GAE, because it's very
restrictive and a proprietary version of Java EE (datastore, thread management, bad JSF
support, no EJB support...) and is not in the spirit of Java EE. Amazon's
Elasticbeanstalk or some of your Redhat / JBoss cloud solution looks better to me. In the
case we would like to promote the dev part a solution like cloudbees could also a good
solution to me. It would be nice to have a part of the site build around Seam Forge and
that could allow user to test, share code (a kind of Github with possibility to run code).
A kind of Seam Genius Bar ;-).
I keep in mind that the coming Java EE 7 will be about cloud, so if we want to communicate
and promote this we have to choose an environment that will probably follow this path.
To finish, I'm not very found of having resources split between multiple sites and
users experience and I think we should look for a solution that will host all Seam
resources to give an image of professionalism and coherence.
Antoine SABOT-DURAND
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Le 6 avr. 2011 à 10:14, Shane Bryzak a écrit :
Now that the Seam final release has been out for about a week (and
I've
had a chance to gather my wits), I've been thinking a bit about what we
should do with the seamframework.org web site. I think that we're all
in agreement that we need to do something, however the devil is in the
details - it's plain to me that we can't do a straight migration of all
content to the jboss.org community site and still retain all the value
that the current site provides.
Essentially, the contents of the site can be broken down into a few
categories:
1. Forums
2. Knowledgebase
3. Marketing
4. Reference - links to documentation, downloads, Maven artifacts, etc
I believe that 1, 3 and 4 are the types of content that we can
successfully host on the jboss.org infrastructure (still accessible from
www.seamframework.org), in a similar way that hibernate.org does it.
What I don't believe that we can host there is the knowledgebase. I
think that this is one area where we're currently failing our community,
and that we have the potential to make vast improvements on.
This is where Seam University comes in. My vision for this is to build
a site that is run with the same collaborative community effort that has
exploded into existence as a result of Seam 3. This would be a site
where Seam users could submit their own articles, tutorials and tips for
using Seam, and have it properly indexed via a powerful keyword search
algorithm (this bit is quite important). I know we have in.relation.to,
but the problem with this site is a) only a select few can submit
content to it, b) new content falls off the radar quite quickly and c)
it's mainly centered around product announcements.
As for hosting this, my preference would be to use Google App Engine so
that the site could double up in purpose as being a showcase of CDI/Seam
technology in the cloud.
Anyway, these are my initial thoughts on this subject and I would really
love to hear some feedback on these ideas. So don't be shy to let me
know what you think. :)
Shane
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