[Design of JBoss jBPM] - Re: oryx and jbpm
by kukeltje
"eikish" wrote : Hi, I'm that "Eiki" :)
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Welcome
"eikish" wrote :
| Unlike the Orbeon editor ours isn't itself based on xforms just web2.0 magic and right now it's closed source although we are planning to make our platform available for other developers and are open to suggestions ;)
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Web 2.0.... That I know.... there I can contribute.... hahaha
"eikish" wrote :
| The oryx xforms editor is a little strange to me as well as many of the other editors out there. It seems that developers are mostly creating visual XForms syntax editors but not form editors that use XForms underneath if you know what I mean....anyway that's off topic
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It's not realy off topic... it makes it easier or more difficult for e.g. others to extend it if they want/need.... see my remark about your version
"eikish" wrote :
| Looking at the JPDL4 editor (only seen the alpha1) I see jboss is taking the road of integrating the positioning of the elements into the xml instead of the gpd.xml file. This is a smart move in my view and will make it easier to create designers/exporters for jpdl.
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@Tom: yeeehaaa.... hahahaha
"eikish" wrote :
| I think with Oryx this strategy would be best as well but I'm worried about backward compatability. We are using jBPM 3.3 and don't see that v.4 will be out any time soon so I need to make sure we build (or you as well?) a jpdl extension to oryx that will work on jBPM 3.3 as well...
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July 1st is the target date
"eikish" wrote :
| Will JPDL4 work on 3.3?
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No
Maybe Chiba and your editor should become JBoss projects :-)
btw, I just use chiba/xforms for the tasks, not tasklists... tasklists are plain jsf
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[Design of JBoss jBPM] - Re: oryx and jbpm
by eikish
Hi, I'm that "Eiki" :)
We are also using Chiba for our display needs (modified a little) but we have already a working but not polished XForms browser based editor we developed in house and we connect that to JBPM. We can for example see all tasks in a process version as xforms and edit them even for running processes (older versions) and add and remove variables (set access (read,write,required)) and easily map them to inputs. This is part of our CeSM platform (Customer eServices Management , a new buzzword you heard it here first :p )
Unlike the Orbeon editor ours isn't itself based on xforms just web2.0 magic and right now it's closed source although we are planning to make our platform available for other developers and are open to suggestions ;) The oryx xforms editor is a little strange to me as well as many of the other editors out there. It seems that developers are mostly creating visual XForms syntax editors but not form editors that use XForms underneath if you know what I mean....anyway that's off topic
About Oryx, it's very well made but I agree with kukeltje the built in repository and even openid support is something we probably won't use because we already have our own authentication and repo. Also we want to build a jpdl designer with handy extensions for our custom actionhandlers to make it truly possible for a newbie (non programmer) to design and test a complete process.
The requirements in our case in other words are being able to draw and export the xml. But when we have that we will integrate it with our form designer so we can jump right to a task and edit it.
Looking at the JPDL4 editor (only seen the alpha1) I see jboss is taking the road of integrating the positioning of the elements into the xml instead of the gpd.xml file. This is a smart move in my view and will make it easier to create designers/exporters for jpdl. I think with Oryx this strategy would be best as well but I'm worried about backward compatability. We are using jBPM 3.3 and don't see that v.4 will be out any time soon so I need to make sure we build (or you as well?) a jpdl extension to oryx that will work on jBPM 3.3 as well...
Will JPDL4 work on 3.3?
cheers
Eirikur Hrafnsson, eiki(a)idega.com
Chief Software Engineer
Idega Software
http://www.idega.com
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[Design of JBoss jBPM] - Re: task assignee vs owner
by tom.baeyens@jboss.com
"KrisVerlaenen" wrote : I believe a task component would probably be one of the easiest component to collaborate on (as it can be completely decoupled from the internals of the execution engine). We have expressed our interest in collaboration on this over half a hour ago and I have repeated this numerous times. What disappoints me is that the you guys now apparently decided to start creating something entirely custom without any communication whatsoever.
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| Kris
i don't see it the same way.
we had a task component in jbpm 3 and we are building an improved version for jbpm 4.
in the meantime, i saw that you have also build a task component as well.
first of all, our time constraints don't allow us to endeavour on a unified task component. it takes *a lot* of time to understand each others goals, implementation, merge and work like that. we simply don't have the time to go through that process at this stage. i assume that you are aware of this as you also point us to your code without working with us on our project. no offence intended, just pinpointing that the hard part is the merging of ideas and requirements into a single unified implementation.
also, i don't think it is good to spend energy on building a "unified" task component for 2 engines which should have be one in the first place.
we don't have time enough to consider the merge-components strategy. but you are welcome to join our development efforts if you're interested.
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