"scott.stark(a)jboss.org" wrote : Hopefully that is resolved with the separation of the logging spi from jdk/log4j impls. | I'm repackaging AOP for the next 2.0.alpha, and am putting in the jars for jboss logging. I am in doubt about what to ship with though. The minimum needed to run is the jboss-logging-spi.jar, which uses the NullLoggerPlugin, so there is no logging. In order to have any meaningful logging we would need to add jboss-logging-log4j.jar and log4j.jar. Are the any reasons why these should NOT be part of the aop download? This mainly applies to people running aop standalone, in the app server all the necessary bits and pieces are obviously present. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4042938#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...