"scott.stark(a)jboss.org" wrote : I thought it was the ejbs that the app was doing an explicit lookup on, not the ds. | Indexer EJB depends on persistence.units (probably having @PersistenceContext field), persistence.units depend on DS. DS is deployed as a separate deployment unit, outside .ear. Since -ds.xml is deployed after .ear file, there is nothing stopping TomcatDeployer to go fwd. And that's where Seam apps get 'started', starting all of its components, where some of the are EJBs. But the actual EJB container is not deployed until there is DS mbean present. "scott.stark(a)jboss.org" wrote : I don't see that this gets picked up from the structure information currently. | I just added this yesterday, to MC. View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4125793#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...