David Lloyd [http://community.jboss.org/people/david.lloyd%40jboss.com] replied to the discussion "default values in domain management" To view the discussion, visit: http://community.jboss.org/message/546296#546296 -------------------------------------------------------------- You can break it down like this: 1. Properties that are part of a deployment 2. Properties that are global to the domain 3. Properties that are specific to a server group 4. Properties that are specific to a host Items 1-3 are definitely part of the domain model either explicitly or implicitly.  If I deploy an application into a server group or server groups, then that deployment becomes part of the domain. My feeling on this is that deployments have to be part of the domain model if we are to retain a consistent view of configuration and deployment (i.e. to allow "undo" operations and allow servers to go offline and download changes in order when they come back online).  Since deployments are part of the domain model, you can't deploy without the domain controller.  If you get deployments, you get a domain.xml, so it's not possible to start up a server with deployments but without domain.xml. I don't think this is incompatible with the desire that people have to (a) keep a deploy/ drop-in directory like we have to day (for development purposes) or (b) have an embeddible mode.  These could simply be a specialized, minimal implementation of the domain controller/server manager interaction. I don't see any reason, given what I've said above, to *require* duplication of what's in the deployment descriptors into the domain.xml file.  It would only happen in the case where something specific needs to be overridden. Maybe Brian's idea of having the defaults in the schema isn't such a bad one after all: as long as we have separate namespaces for each successive version of each component, the version can be used to imply the defaults in play.  We have to make sure that the implementation of the parsing layer makes it easy to support multiple namespaces (and know which is in play) in this case though. -------------------------------------------------------------- Reply to this message by going to Community [http://community.jboss.org/message/546296#546296] Start a new discussion in Management Development at Community [http://community.jboss.org/choose-container!input.jspa?contentType=1&...]