hi I am going to start on a white paper to tie together the concepts of ESB security with JBoss. Thanks for the references. I will get an outline together and post it, then start working through the sections. Will also get that SAML class diagram and smooks program to write an Assertion into a model. Great way to learn! Again, thanks for letting me help John View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4188580#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...