"david.lloyd(a)jboss.com" wrote : So - we are taking a small project, adding dependencies and making it more complex? | Why is adding dependecies making it more complex? It's exactly the opposite - less code to maintain. "david.lloyd(a)jboss.com" wrote : | Adding dependencies is a bad idea. Projects should as a rule have the minimum number of runtime dependencies possible. Having lots of dependencies just makes it harder to refactor later. If you have a large web of dependencies between a set of projects, that's a big indicator that they ought to be one big project anyway, or at least split up differently. | Again nonsense. Refactoring is extremely easy if you have an external thing that does things for you. See my previous e.g.: "e.g. if you wanna add a restriction check" In most cases those ext libs have stand the test of time, so they are much better then the crap you quickly code yourself. And the nicest things about all the pieces in my version of Papaki is that we control them all, meaning it's easy to create any missing feature or fix/extend an existing one. View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4261295#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...