anonymous wrote : 1) For DB/hibernate you can use lazy loading and hibernate proxies. So you can easily navigate the plain object model. Lazy loading of users etc? Nahh.. do not need that. We have an ldap backend for our user management and never missed this. Most often (always?) this info is retrieved when it is needed (not lazy but direct). In the process it is just a String, right? I'll try experimenting with the pvm and identity module next week (after dublin) to see how it will behave. btw, I saw that the current development of usermanagement is in the tempranillo tree (you do have some tempranillo for us to consume in dublin do you?) I've seen the JBoss Identity project in cvs/svn. Will keep an eye on it to View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4155022#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...