Hi Bill, I'll verify that for you ASAP and let you know. So far I've only tried it in my own app, not those examples - and the exception that I get is slightly different from what the original poster had, although it does look to be related. I'll let you know. thanks, Daniel. "bill.burke(a)jboss.com" wrote : So how do I reproduce? just use the existing ejb3 embedded security example? View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4005501#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...