First some 'official comments' It sounds we all agree (I know Gavin was not fond of integrating all this, but afaik, he wants to include pages.xml info into the .xhtml pages, so effectively he is doing the same) I tend to disagree with Jeff however that we should limit ourselves because currently a lot of hand-editing is needed. Otoh, I do think it is not realistic to expect this to be in the 3.1 designer, mainly because it also requires a new version of the core and webconsole. So lets target 3.2 of the designer (or whatever version Koen has in mind) and 4.0 of jBPM Bernd, The party is less and less about the end of WWII but more and more about anti-discrimination, anti-racism etc, which I think is good. So it is not so much a real celebration anymore. Queensday however is much better and a real 'must experience' for tourists. Oh and about the weather, there is a new record for the longest period without rain now: 43 days. Farmers complain (don't they always), the nature conservationists complain (don't they always) but the normal people do NOT complain (as opposed to what they usually do about the weather) View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4043537#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...