I actually don't mind maven when it comes to thirdparty dependencies. You have finer grained control over what you want. i.e., with buildmagic if someone wants to use JBM all the jars are downloaded when maybe they only want the client jars. Also its download only once for every project which i like. Also theres nothing to stop us using ant to build and call maven just for the dependencies, thats what the AS build does. +1 with jbm 2 only. View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4235222#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...