Actually thinking more about this and reading your response, it makes sense the way you did it - by having abstract beans in Described. As this already address some of the issues; e.g. scoping (PreInstall), CL existence (Described) But we should then do the following things: * have new ControllerContextActions for abstract beans, which would only have PreInstall and Describe mappings * requiredState is Descibed * is not autowire candidate Or any other optimization that could have impact on the issues mentioned here: - http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&t=158498 altough I doubt having a few abstract beans would do much harm. I'll check your patch asap, or if you're not addressing some of the issues I mentioned above, I guess you can do a new one, and I'll have a look then. :-) View the original post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4247450#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.org/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...