Well, you know what they say about "like minds"... The subject has not previously been discussed, but yes, Maintenance and Designer services are to be considered Eclipse plugins. Seam may be a "phase two" consideration, but initially Eclipse is the way to go. As far as working on these apps., I will be proposing design specifications to the lead on JBESB-Data Transformation as soon as these specs. are complete. I surely don't want this track to get out of sync with Tom's thinking... Dave View the original post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=3957741#... Reply to the post : http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=posting&mode=reply&a...