[Design of JBoss jBPM] - Re: Why is the console a different repos
by tom.baeyens@jboss.com
i think's unwise for jboss to invest in 2 engines and then select the best one in this particular case.
exploring 2 technological strategies/solutions and see what works would be justifyable. but that is imo completely different from the situation we're discussing.
in this case, there is no feature that they target that cannot be build on jbpm. from the beginning i have tried to collaborate by pointing out how all the features they requested could have been build on on jbpm. apart from taste, i have not been able to see a real reason why they had to do it different.
in their logic, they think that they are doing things differently (mostly joint process/rule execution, and nicer integrated in drools codebase/api). and therefor must build their own version of the pvm.
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[Design of JBoss ESB] - Re: Http Gateway - requirements please...
by Kevin.Conner@jboss.com
"tfennelly" wrote : OK... so I think we are in agreement then that EBWS in it's current form would need to change in order to provide a common basis for these http related features? I thought Kev was suggesting otherwise.
It was never my intent to suggest otherwise, apologies for not being clear.
"tfennelly" wrote : after that (for me) it's just about the format and I think keeping it in line with the web.xml makes sense from a user perspective (they know web.xml) and removes the need to perform a mapping (because it's already in the target format).
They also know jboss-esb.xml where the rest of the config lies.
"tfennelly" wrote : What we differ on perhaps is the strictness of the validation. Kev and Dave prefer the "we only allow values X, Y and Z and we block everything else" approach, where as Danny and I seem to prefer the "we don't allow A, B, or C but do allow everything else" approach (if that makes sense :) ).
I think this is a fair summary, although I would add that 'allowing everything else' ties us into a particular implementation (it is now part of the public API) and also allows unforeseen side-effects to exist without constraint, especially if there is also a D which should have been explicitly excluded but wasn't.
Kev
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[Design of JBoss ESB] - Re: Http Gateway - requirements please...
by Kevin.Conner@jboss.com
"dward" wrote : Even though part of me wants to side with Tom and Daniel on this (so as to allow maximum flexibility to the user), I think we would be opening up a big can of worms. I don't think we want to - or even should - support everything you can put into a web.xml. We're not trying to be an entire "Servlet [Container] Gateway" here, just an HTTP Gateway.
This is also my opinion. The purpose of the http gateway is to expose services through http endpoints, and only that. The fact that we are generating web.xml and exposing these through a servlet container should be an implementation detail.
If we are to support merging in web.xml then it has the following negative impacts
- potential merges can cause the generated web.xml to be invalid
- potential merges can cause interference at run time
- any generation we do automatically becomes part of the public API of the gateway.
Kev
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[Design of JBoss jBPM] - Re: Why is the console a different repos
by heiko.braun@jboss.com
anonymous wrote :
| But I think, thats not for us to discuss, it would be a JBoss management task.
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No, it's definitely not a management thing. JBoss projects are still OSS run by the project leads. It's something the project leads need to discuss and decide. There will not be a top-to-bottom decision on this. Actually it can't if you think about the way projects are organized within jboss.
Avoiding the discussion, or doing it non-public doesn't help either. So I am glad you guys share your concerns. IMO a public statement like drools did is a good step into the right direction: http://www.jboss.org/drools/drools-flow.html
But on the other hand, if I compare it to the web service project, there has always been open source competition. In our case it was Metro and CXF. Still this didn't question our approach to provide JBossWS in the first place. But in the long run, community and users did decide for another stack. In this case CXF. But we did make all three of them available on jboss. IMO we'll see something similar with drools and jbpm.
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[QA of JBoss Portal] - Cash loan quick
by lauraishere
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