9:24 a.m.
Mark,
One thing that I forgot to comment on was how the flow architecture with its splits and
joins can be used to emulate "work flow patterns". I am VERY pleased to see this
as it (in my opinion) gives rules flow an enormous amount of logical processing power that
is just not present in an ordinary rules processing environment.
Again, congratulations !!
Rich Halsey
"GENIUS IS THE ULTIMATE WEAPON"
....God grant me...
The senility to forget the people I never liked
The good fortune to run into the ones that I do
And the eyesight to tell the difference."
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Proctor
To: Rules Dev List
Cc: Rich Halsey ; James C. Owen
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [rules-dev] Re: RuleFlow preview
Our implementation is a light layer to provide "wait states" for one or more
rules, it uses a similar principle to agenda-groups (Clips modules) to partition the
execution. Activated rules are placed in temporary buckets (rule-flow-groups), instead of
onto the agenda, when the rule-flow-group is activated the bucket empties onto the Agenda
for normal execution, when all the emptied rules are fired the next rule-flow-groups are
activated.
The system is still "parallel" in nature, in that the agenda is still
responsible for executing rules and the agenda can have more than one rule on it at at
time. In our implementation all the rules in the rule-flow-group will be put onto the
agenda for execution, at the same time standard rules can also continue to be managed and
executed by the agenda, and agenda groups (clips modules) still continue to operate - all
in parallel.
A rule that is specified to execute as part of a rule-flow-group can also be part of an
agenda-group, but that use case is discouraged because it can get quite hairy unless you
really know what you are doing :) As it means a rule-flow-group can be activated, the
rules moved onto their respective agenda-groups, where any rules not in agenda-groups that
do not have focus will not fire, the next rule-flow-group will not activate untill all
rules for the current rule-flow-group have fired, regardless of the agenda-groups they are
in.
The limitation at the moment is that the temporary bucket has no ability to handle
different start instances and differentiate between the rules in it's bucket of the
same rule-flow, but you can have multiple different rule flows executing in parallel. We
purposefuly kept it simple for "version 1" to build up the functionality needed
for rule flow. The use cases for parallel execution of the same flow are not easy - as one
instance can catch up and over take another instance on the same flow. Also if a rule in a
rule-flow-group activates which of the two current instances for the same rule flow are
responsible for firing it? The same issue arrises for when you have the same
rule-flow-group in multiple rule-flows. We are currently not sure how best to handle these
types of situations; maybe you could help us on those use cases? Or even provide a patch
:)
Mark
Rich Halsey wrote:
Hi Mark,
The part in the document where it says:
"At this point, ruleflow-groups should not be reused in more than one ruleflow,
and you should not
start a new instance of a process before the previous one has ended."
will be the weak link in the chain, i.e. there should not be any reason why
rule-flow-groups should not be reused nor having multiple instances since rules are
implicitly parallel in operation. This was what I found to be the problem with ILOG's
JRules back in the v4.0 edition. It turned JRules into a clunky procedural processing
engine (which was not what we needed at that time).
However, I am very proud to see that Jboss Rules (JBRules) has successfully evolved to
this point. You (and your team) are to be commended for your efforts.
Tally-ho !!
Rich Halsey
"GENIUS IS THE ULTIMATE WEAPON"
....God grant me...
The senility to forget the people I never liked
The good fortune to run into the ones that I do
And the eyesight to tell the difference."
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Proctor
To: Rules Dev List
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 5:12 AM
Subject: RuleFlow preview
I thought everyone on the dev list would be interested in reviewing and providing
feedback on Kris' excellent work on RuleFlow - includes screenshots :)
Mark
-------- Original Message -------- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 01:51:29 +0100
From: Kris Verlaenen <kris.verlaenen(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Ruleflow
I've attached a document describing how ruleflow is implemented /
could be used in the future. If anyone has got any suggestions or
improvements (on the API I'm proposing, or things you would like to
see differently), just let me know asap.
I think I'll be able to commit a first working version on svn soon.
Still have to include conditional connections (where a connection is
only selected if its condition evaluates to true), and some smaller
stuff.
Kris
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