10:47 a.m.
Hi Team,
the amount of (what is) noise (to me) on the users list has steadily
increased over time. Several distinct topics appear (to me) to be
bunched together needlessly, and I'm beginning to use interest in this
list. IIRC, there was some talk several months ago, that things like
planner, JBPM and Guvnor should have their own lists, but nothing has
come of that.
Best
Wolfgang
1:56 p.m.
Hi Wolfgang,
You're right.
Some insight on the problem (and why it's hasn't been fixed yet):
1) Most of OptaPlanner's questions are actually asked on StackOverflow
these days
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/optaplanner
because optaplanner.org links that too:
http://www.optaplanner.org/community/forum.html
2) I'd prefer to use a Q&A website for all OptaPlanner questions,
instead of a forum or mailing list.
They simply work better: google searches include them (SEO), the
questions/answers are higher quality & better readable, ...
StackOverflow officially doesn't like it if a project links them as the
official support forum...
That's why optaplanner.org still links this list first.
Most users go for the second link because they prefer a Q&A website :)
There was discussion if Jboss.org would set up a Q&A website (there are
several great Open Source options for this),
but nothing has happened yet. I am basically wait for that to materialize...
3) This mailing list is hard to reach for non hardcore people:
The nabble forum that mirrors this list is broken, really.
This mailing list clutters inboxes.
The newsgroup on gmane.org (which I use) works, but few people are
comfortable with newsgroup these days.
On 13-05-14 10:47, Wolfgang Laun wrote:
Hi Team,
the amount of (what is) noise (to me) on the users list has steadily
increased over time. Several distinct topics appear (to me) to be
bunched together needlessly, and I'm beginning to use interest in this
list. IIRC, there was some talk several months ago, that things like
planner, JBPM and Guvnor should have their own lists, but nothing has
come of that.
Best
Wolfgang
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12:52 a.m.
I’ve asked geoffrey to setup a separate mailing list for planner, and to write on the
optaplanner website what questions should not be asked on the Drools lists.
We can setup an additional two new google groups for Drools. One for expert DRL questions
and one for Workbench questions. Or maybe we just need to create a drools-noob list, and
direct first starters there? That may actually be the best way for now, to reduce some of
the most basic Qs.
Mark
On 13 May 2014, at 09:47, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Team,
the amount of (what is) noise (to me) on the users list has steadily
increased over time. Several distinct topics appear (to me) to be
bunched together needlessly, and I'm beginning to use interest in this
list. IIRC, there was some talk several months ago, that things like
planner, JBPM and Guvnor should have their own lists, but nothing has
come of that.
Best
Wolfgang
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7:10 a.m.
IIRC, absolute beginners' question aren't making the list
inhomogeneous. (Poor netiquette is not necessarily a Drools beginner's
symptom.) I think that separating vertically (planner,
guvnor/workbench, expert+fusion) is the way to go.
This is also (roughly) the way (most) Qs are answered: by Geoffrey,
Michael, and others.
Cheers
Wolfgang
On 14/05/2014, Mark Proctor <mproctor(a)codehaus.org> wrote:
I've asked geoffrey to setup a separate mailing list for planner,
and to
write on the optaplanner website what questions should not be asked on the
Drools lists.
We can setup an additional two new google groups for Drools. One for expert
DRL questions and one for Workbench questions. Or maybe we just need to
create a drools-noob list, and direct first starters there? That may
actually be the best way for now, to reduce some of the most basic Qs.
Mark
On 13 May 2014, at 09:47, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Team,
>
> the amount of (what is) noise (to me) on the users list has steadily
> increased over time. Several distinct topics appear (to me) to be
> bunched together needlessly, and I'm beginning to use interest in this
> list. IIRC, there was some talk several months ago, that things like
> planner, JBPM and Guvnor should have their own lists, but nothing has
> come of that.
>
> Best
> Wolfgang
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2:09 p.m.
+1 for vertical partitioning (planner, guvnor/workbench, expert+fusion)
-1 for experience-based partitioning. I believe this will cause
fragmentation and confusion.
On 14-05-14 07:10, Wolfgang Laun wrote:
IIRC, absolute beginners' question aren't making the list
inhomogeneous. (Poor netiquette is not necessarily a Drools beginner's
symptom.) I think that separating vertically (planner,
guvnor/workbench, expert+fusion) is the way to go.
This is also (roughly) the way (most) Qs are answered: by Geoffrey,
Michael, and others.
Cheers
Wolfgang
On 14/05/2014, Mark Proctor <mproctor(a)codehaus.org> wrote:
> I've asked geoffrey to setup a separate mailing list for planner, and to
> write on the optaplanner website what questions should not be asked on the
> Drools lists.
>
> We can setup an additional two new google groups for Drools. One for expert
> DRL questions and one for Workbench questions. Or maybe we just need to
> create a drools-noob list, and direct first starters there? That may
> actually be the best way for now, to reduce some of the most basic Qs.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 13 May 2014, at 09:47, Wolfgang Laun <wolfgang.laun(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Team,
>>
>> the amount of (what is) noise (to me) on the users list has steadily
>> increased over time. Several distinct topics appear (to me) to be
>> bunched together needlessly, and I'm beginning to use interest in this
>> list. IIRC, there was some talk several months ago, that things like
>> planner, JBPM and Guvnor should have their own lists, but nothing has
>> come of that.
>>
>> Best
>> Wolfgang
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>> rules-dev(a)lists.jboss.org
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev
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