Re: [rules-dev] Fine Grained Property Change Listeners (Slot Specific)

The change is reducing the coarseness of the system and so making it more sensitive to the scope of the change so I’d say high fidelity is the correct term.**** I agree with you I’m concerned how this works with non-pure java beans where some of the setters may update multiple fields, or there may be none bean methods like a reset() method – I don’t understand how these would interact in the system, is there a mechanism to explicitly invalidate a property or mark the whole lot as dirty.**** ** ** Thomas**** ** ** *From:* rules-dev-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org [mailto: rules-dev-bounces(a)lists.jboss.org] *On Behalf Of *Wolfgang Laun *Sent:* 14 January 2012 08:59 *To:* Rules Dev List *Subject:* Re: [rules-dev] Fine Grained Property Change Listeners (Slot Specific)**** ** ** You really should follow naming conventions Java programmers are familiar* *** with. javax.xml.bind.annotation.XmlAccessType, for instance, uses the**** term "member" for referring to "public getter/setter pairs", and this comes **** close to what Drools does. Alternatively, there's "field" and "property",* *** and I wouldn't worry about the extra lip mileage - you can always abbreviate**** to "prop-specific".**** ** ** Is this new feature in some way configurable for the KnowledgeBase?**** There are fact types where modifying one member results in the change**** of more than one member. Consider the very plausible case:**** $f: Fact(...)**** then**** modify( $f ){ getList().add( $x ) }**** end**** ** ** when**** Fact( size > 10 ) # size implemented as getList().size()**** then**** ** ** Wolfgang**** ** ** PS: The new feature is actually *restricting the sensitivity of the system.***** Therefore, I feel that "high-fidelity" is actually counter-intuitive!**** ** ** On 13 January 2012 23:30, Mark Proctor <mproctor(a)codehaus.org&gt; wrote:**** Mario just got a first cut working for fine grained property change listeners. Previously when you call update() it will trigger revaluation of all Patterns of the matching object type in the knowledeg base. As some have found this can be a problem, forcing you to split up your objects into smaller 1 to 1 objects, to avoid unwanted evaluation of objects - i.e. recursion or excessive evaluation problems. The new approach now means the pattern's will only react to fields constrained or bound inside of the pattern. This will help with performance and recursion and avoid artificial object splitting. We previously discussed this here: http://blog.athico.com/2010/07/slot-specific-and-refraction.html You can see the unit test here: https://github.com/droolsjbpm/drools/blob/ca55c78429cbc0f14167c604c413cdc... The implementation is bit mask based, so very efficient. When the engine executes a modify statement it uses a bit mask of fields being changed, the pattern will only respond if it has an overlapping bit mask. This does not work for update(), and is one of the reason why we promote modify() as it encapsulates the field changes within the statement. You can follow Mario's chain of work on this at his github activity feed: https://github.com/mariofusco.atom The adventerous amoung you can pick this up from hudson, or from maven, and start playing now. My hope is that this will make drools much easier to use: https://hudson.jboss.org/hudson/job/drools/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/d... Btw we are after a name. Drools is not a frame based system, so "slot specific" doesn't seem appropropriate. Property Specific seems a bit of a mouth full. I'm quite liking High Fidelity Change Listeners :) any other suggestions? slot-specific is the name used by Jess for this feature, http://www.jessrules.com/docs/71/constructs.html. It's also the standard way that Clips COOL works, which is the Clips OO module. Although that's partly a side effect of the triple representation of properties used in COOL, and the modifications are triple based. I don't know what mechanism Jess is using to enable this. Mark _______________________________________________ rules-dev mailing list rules-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev**** ** ** ------------------------------ ************************************************************************************** This message is confidential and intended only for the addressee. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the postmaster(a)nds.com and delete it from your system as well as any copies. The content of e-mails as well as traffic data may be monitored by NDS for employment and security purposes. To protect the environment please do not print this e-mail unless necessary. NDS Limited. Registered Office: One London Road, Staines, Middlesex, TW18 4EX, United Kingdom. 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