Hello, in chapter 19 (caching) of the seam documentation, there is the following paragraph. In my opinion, it is not at all polite as we call them silly, use expressions like 'will try to tell you' and so on. Dealing with other people in that way does not express better technology or better knowledge. I would interprete it as being snobbish, subjectiv and find that it is not very much convincing. Though I know that the core argument is in fact correct. May be it is just me being to sensible, but what is your opinion on this. Best Regards Sebastian Hennebrueder ------- In almost all enterprise applications, the database is the primary bottleneck, and the least scalable tier of the runtime environment. People from a PHP/Ruby environment will try to tell you that so-called "shared nothing" architectures scale well. While that may be literally true, I don't know of many interesting multi-user applica- tions which can be implemented with no sharing of resources between different nodes of the cluster. What these silly people are really thinking of is a "share nothing except for the database" architecture. .... ------------- alternative formulation: In almost all enterprise applications, the database is the primary bottleneck, and the least scalable tier of the runtime environment. People from a PHP/Ruby environment state that their lightweigth architecture - which is not sharing resources - scales well. We do not agree here. A PHP/Ruby will share the database which is in large scale application normally already the bottleneck. Lightweight can be fast in smaller applications but is not scalable. This chapter explains how Seam uses caching to provide a architecture which is fast and scalable at the same time. _______________________________________________ seam-dev mailing list seam-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev

Sorry mate, I target my docs to folks with a sense of humor, who don't take all this techno-religious-war crap too seriously. On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Sebastian Hennebrueder <usenet(a)laliluna.de&gt; wrote: > Hello, > > in chapter 19 (caching) of the seam documentation, there is the > following paragraph. In my opinion, it is not at all polite as we call > them silly, use expressions like 'will try to tell you' and so on. > > Dealing with other people in that way does not express better technology > or better knowledge. I would interprete it as being snobbish, subjectiv > and find that it is not very much convincing. Though I know that the > core argument is in fact correct. > > May be it is just me being to sensible, but what is your opinion on this. > > Best Regards > > Sebastian Hennebrueder > > ------- > In almost all enterprise applications, the database is the primary > bottleneck, and the least scalable tier of the > runtime environment. People from a PHP/Ruby environment will try to tell > you that so-called "shared nothing" > architectures scale well. While that may be literally true, I don't know > of many interesting multi-user applica- > tions which can be implemented with no sharing of resources between > different nodes of the cluster. What these > silly people are really thinking of is a "share nothing except for the > database" architecture. .... > > ------------- > alternative formulation: > In almost all enterprise applications, the database is the primary > bottleneck, and the least scalable tier of the runtime environment. > People from a PHP/Ruby environment state that their lightweigth > architecture - which is not sharing resources - scales well. We do not > agree here. A PHP/Ruby will share the database which is in large scale > application normally already the bottleneck. Lightweight can be fast in > smaller applications but is not scalable. > > This chapter explains how Seam uses caching to provide a architecture > which is fast and scalable at the same time. > _______________________________________________ > seam-dev mailing list > seam-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev > -- Gavin King gavin.king(a)gmail.com http://hibernate.org http://jboss.com/products/seam http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Gavin _______________________________________________ seam-dev mailing list seam-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev